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>Of all the people that I know that went working outside of their country, they were mostly going to EU companies (or USA companies in Europe), sometimes to the

by TMWNN 6y ago

>Of all the people that I know that went working outside of their country, they were mostly going to EU companies (or USA companies in Europe), sometimes to the Asia. None left for USA. On the other side I know a CTO that left USA for Europe and bought a small property in France where he lives with whole family. Now let me give you actual statistics. In a survey of scientists from 16 countries (http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/tech-careers/the-global-brain-trade http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/tech-careers/the-global-bra...), the US is the top destination from 13 of the 15 others and the #2 choice from the other two. By comparison, only 5% of all American scientists move to another country, of which 32% go to Canada.

908B64B197 6y ago
Aren't Europeans interested in ending this brain drain?
stiray 6y ago
Sure, I have never argued with that. Meanwhile (since 2012) Trump happened, race unrest's, police brutality, corona handling fiasco, Google/FB/Amazon public image is going down, USA public depth has roughly doubled [1] and general perception of USA has changed (to the worse[2]), China is hiring, student depth is going trough the roof (and immigrants want to have children someday), no one believes in "war on terror" any more (talking about EU), Snowden, war on privacy,... This graph is outdated, did you find some that is up to date? Also interesting one would be how many of those in 2012 survey stayed and where. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/187867/public-debt-of-the-united-states-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/187867/public-debt-of-th... [2] https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/09/15/us-image-plummets-internationally-as-most-say-country-has-handled-coronavirus-badly/ https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/09/15/us-image-plumm...
- TMWNN 6y ago
  I see that you deleted your further attempt to mock my presenting statistics in exchange for your anecdotes (I had no idea until reading your contributions here that that in the US there is no "actually having friends, nature, having hill-climbing organizations that aren't only lobist groups to be actually allowed to climb the mountains"). But since you did bring up Germany with the deleted mention of Operation Paperclip, I suggest you read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25367731 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25367731 , in which @bildung and I discuss German migration to the US over the past 30 years (including 2019 data).
- TMWNN 6y ago
  >This graph is outdated, did you find some that is up to date? I provided statistics in response to your anecdotes. The onus is on you, not me, to prove that a) your anecdotes are actually representative of broader trends, and b) my statistics are, in fact, outdated.
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- bennysonething 6y ago
  "Google/FB/Amazon public image is going down" why would this affect anyone's reason for moving to the USA?

by TMWNN 6y ago

908B64B197 6y ago

Aren't Europeans interested in ending this brain drain?

stiray 6y ago

Sure, I have never argued with that. Meanwhile (since 2012) Trump happened, race unrest's, police brutality, corona handling fiasco, Google/FB/Amazon public image is going down, USA public depth has roughly doubled [1] and general perception of USA has changed (to the worse[2]), China is hiring, student depth is going trough the roof (and immigrants want to have children someday), no one believes in "war on terror" any more (talking about EU), Snowden, war on privacy,... This graph is outdated, did you find some that is up to date? Also interesting one would be how many of those in 2012 survey stayed and where. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/187867/public-debt-of-the-united-states-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/187867/public-debt-of-th... [2] https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/09/15/us-image-plummets-internationally-as-most-say-country-has-handled-coronavirus-badly/ https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/09/15/us-image-plumm...

TMWNN 6y ago
I see that you deleted your further attempt to mock my presenting statistics in exchange for your anecdotes (I had no idea until reading your contributions here that that in the US there is no "actually having friends, nature, having hill-climbing organizations that aren't only lobist groups to be actually allowed to climb the mountains"). But since you did bring up Germany with the deleted mention of Operation Paperclip, I suggest you read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25367731 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25367731 , in which @bildung and I discuss German migration to the US over the past 30 years (including 2019 data).
TMWNN 6y ago
>This graph is outdated, did you find some that is up to date? I provided statistics in response to your anecdotes. The onus is on you, not me, to prove that a) your anecdotes are actually representative of broader trends, and b) my statistics are, in fact, outdated.
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bennysonething 6y ago
"Google/FB/Amazon public image is going down" why would this affect anyone's reason for moving to the USA?