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It seems she's fairly ignorant of how things work here as the vast majority of his fears are unfounded. That's ok though, the point about comparing salaries is

It seems she's fairly ignorant of how things work here as the vast majority of his fears are unfounded. That's ok though, the point about comparing salaries is very valid, there's extreme cost of living differences among many other things. For a lot of Americans, the fear we have is being completely dependent on the government. Look at who is exiting presidential office, look who is entering. Attaching our fates to these bozos isn't something I necessarily relish.

digianarchist 6y ago
Disagree on the cost of living point. London and Dublin are comparable to a lot of major US cities yet wages are much lower than these cities. Even Canada pays better than a lot of European cities when you factor in COL between say Toronto and London.
- raverbashing 6y ago
  > Even Canada pays better than a lot of European cities when you factor in COL between say Toronto and London Doubt. The sinking CAD is an issue and COL (except for rents) is usually lower in Europe
  - 908B64B197 6y ago
    I don't get why they don't simply use the US dollar at this point.
tao_oat 6y ago
What do you think her fears are, and why are they unfounded? I understood her primary point as being about inequality and justice: "I don't wanna make 250k while most people work three jobs"
- JPKab 6y ago
  I grew up in a family whose income put us below poverty line. I didn't have to pay for college, due to Pell grants, yet she thinks that in the USA, a good student can't go to college without money. That's just not a thing. But the media in the US creates that impression for Europeans. Also, the idea that poor people with cancer in the US are left to die. Not accurate. Medicare, medicaid, etc. Not saying its good, just saying she's deeply misinformed in the typical socialist left-wing media stereotypes and oversimplifications.
  - africanboy 6y ago
    > yet she thinks that in the USA, a good student can't go to college without money No, she actually thinks that an average (or below average, or without some exceptional physical skill etc. etc.) student can't go to college without money. That's a non issue here in Europe (generally). > Also, the idea that poor people with cancer in the US are left to die You still have to pay for it. Without premium insurance premiums forget about premium health care. Here in Europe is not perfect, bu paying more is not necessary to get better health care.
    - biggermike 6y ago
      > You still have to pay for it. You don't, actually. Medicaid is a de-facto single payer system (with the caveat that it's funded by both federal and state governments).
      - africanboy 6y ago
        You can take for granted two things in life: - death - downvotes from Americans who do can't tolerate critics Medicaid is not "free" there are requirements, but assuming you qualify, there are hidden costs. Like for example. > The DRA created a five-year "look-back period." That means that any transfers without fair market value (gifts of any kind) made by the Medicaid applicant during the preceding five years are penalizable. The penalty is determined by dividing the average monthly cost of nursing home care in the area or State into the amount of assets gifted. Therefore, if a person gifted $60,000 and the average monthly cost of a nursing home was $6,000, one would divide $6000 into $60,000 and come up with 10. 10 represents the number of months the applicant would not be eligible for medicaid. Maybe it's me as Italian that am a simpleton, but for me that's a cost. If someone parents here get treated in a hospital, they are treated freely. If after 4 years they want to gift their children with a few thousand euros to pay, for example, for their marriage, they don't have to worry about it. Worrying has a cost. The incentive of the Medicaid system is to lie about the real entity of the assets one possess.
- dionidium 6y ago
  For starters, “most” people don’t work three jobs, obviously, and the U.S. is in fact a very wealthy country with a vast middle class. Second, anybody who wants to can go to college. I went on student loans and Pell Grants. Third, we don’t have universal health care in this country, but poor people actually do get care and are insured, via Medicaid. Cancer patients aren’t left to die in the street. It’s good that there are so many discussions on the internet about the people who fall though the cracks, but it can create an inaccurate picture of reality, which is what seems to have happened to this observer. On the facts, she has a confused understanding of both the typical and the extreme American experience.
- jelliclesfarm 6y ago
  I understood her primary point to be ‘no one should want to make 250k when most people work three jobs’.
jdmoreira 6y ago
It’s a woman writing
- deleted 6y ago
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- exabrial 6y ago
  crap, thanks
Denvercoder9 6y ago
There's a third option: fix your government.
bserge 6y ago
> the fear we have is being completely dependent on the government It's the same in Europe, though. No one wants their government to have too much power. The political class is both out of touch and untouchable in the US, EU and pretty much most countries I'd say.
908B64B197 6y ago
Good thing the article was flagged. She's wrong and misleading on so many things, It's really hard for me not to think she was somehow paid to write that. By whom I have no clue. It reads like a PR piece to fear potential high value EU expats, a cheap attempt at preventing them from jumping ships instead of actually fixing the underlying issues. I've done a little bit of international recruiting and it's always surprising the number of misconceptions folks have.

digianarchist 6y ago

Disagree on the cost of living point. London and Dublin are comparable to a lot of major US cities yet wages are much lower than these cities. Even Canada pays better than a lot of European cities when you factor in COL between say Toronto and London.

raverbashing 6y ago
> Even Canada pays better than a lot of European cities when you factor in COL between say Toronto and London Doubt. The sinking CAD is an issue and COL (except for rents) is usually lower in Europe
- 908B64B197 6y ago
  I don't get why they don't simply use the US dollar at this point.

tao_oat 6y ago

What do you think her fears are, and why are they unfounded? I understood her primary point as being about inequality and justice: "I don't wanna make 250k while most people work three jobs"

JPKab 6y ago
I grew up in a family whose income put us below poverty line. I didn't have to pay for college, due to Pell grants, yet she thinks that in the USA, a good student can't go to college without money. That's just not a thing. But the media in the US creates that impression for Europeans. Also, the idea that poor people with cancer in the US are left to die. Not accurate. Medicare, medicaid, etc. Not saying its good, just saying she's deeply misinformed in the typical socialist left-wing media stereotypes and oversimplifications.
- africanboy 6y ago
  > yet she thinks that in the USA, a good student can't go to college without money No, she actually thinks that an average (or below average, or without some exceptional physical skill etc. etc.) student can't go to college without money. That's a non issue here in Europe (generally). > Also, the idea that poor people with cancer in the US are left to die You still have to pay for it. Without premium insurance premiums forget about premium health care. Here in Europe is not perfect, bu paying more is not necessary to get better health care.
  - biggermike 6y ago
    > You still have to pay for it. You don't, actually. Medicaid is a de-facto single payer system (with the caveat that it's funded by both federal and state governments).
    - africanboy 6y ago
      You can take for granted two things in life: - death - downvotes from Americans who do can't tolerate critics Medicaid is not "free" there are requirements, but assuming you qualify, there are hidden costs. Like for example. > The DRA created a five-year "look-back period." That means that any transfers without fair market value (gifts of any kind) made by the Medicaid applicant during the preceding five years are penalizable. The penalty is determined by dividing the average monthly cost of nursing home care in the area or State into the amount of assets gifted. Therefore, if a person gifted $60,000 and the average monthly cost of a nursing home was $6,000, one would divide $6000 into $60,000 and come up with 10. 10 represents the number of months the applicant would not be eligible for medicaid. Maybe it's me as Italian that am a simpleton, but for me that's a cost. If someone parents here get treated in a hospital, they are treated freely. If after 4 years they want to gift their children with a few thousand euros to pay, for example, for their marriage, they don't have to worry about it. Worrying has a cost. The incentive of the Medicaid system is to lie about the real entity of the assets one possess.
dionidium 6y ago
For starters, “most” people don’t work three jobs, obviously, and the U.S. is in fact a very wealthy country with a vast middle class. Second, anybody who wants to can go to college. I went on student loans and Pell Grants. Third, we don’t have universal health care in this country, but poor people actually do get care and are insured, via Medicaid. Cancer patients aren’t left to die in the street. It’s good that there are so many discussions on the internet about the people who fall though the cracks, but it can create an inaccurate picture of reality, which is what seems to have happened to this observer. On the facts, she has a confused understanding of both the typical and the extreme American experience.
jelliclesfarm 6y ago
I understood her primary point to be ‘no one should want to make 250k when most people work three jobs’.

jdmoreira 6y ago

It’s a woman writing

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exabrial 6y ago
crap, thanks

Denvercoder9 6y ago

There's a third option: fix your government.

bserge 6y ago

> the fear we have is being completely dependent on the government It's the same in Europe, though. No one wants their government to have too much power. The political class is both out of touch and untouchable in the US, EU and pretty much most countries I'd say.

908B64B197 6y ago

Good thing the article was flagged. She's wrong and misleading on so many things, It's really hard for me not to think she was somehow paid to write that. By whom I have no clue. It reads like a PR piece to fear potential high value EU expats, a cheap attempt at preventing them from jumping ships instead of actually fixing the underlying issues. I've done a little bit of international recruiting and it's always surprising the number of misconceptions folks have.