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As jobs transition out of China towards lower cost countries it'll be interesting to see how China handles the new middle class expectancies. Richer people tend

• cambalache 6y ago
  > Richer people tend to have more liberal views etc etc. Jesuschrist!, this have not been true at any point or place in history. People become more conservative when they become richer, which it makes sense, if you are wealthy and have lots of resources it suits you that the status quo remains. The RICH liberal elite is "progressive" as long as their income is not touched.
  • papaf 6y ago
    this have not been true at any point or place in history. The idea that professionals are more liberal formed one of the arguments in the book "The End of History". "Rich" in this case means not living in poverty. It doesn't mean billionaire.
    • cambalache 6y ago
      In LATAM(the place I know the best) middle class people tend to be center-right by a big margin compared to working class people. In the US things like NIMBY are in essence a conservative position taken by the middle/upper-middle class. The same happen with the school they choose for their kids, the self-segregated gated communities they live, the companies they work for and the closed social circles they frequent. They CLAIM they are progressive. But supporting your also-white-upper-middle-class-professional gay colleague is a far cry from the things that leftism are really concerned about, like income inequality,gentrification,environmental destruction, third-world labor exploitation,imperialism. On these topics your liberal FAANG friends at best do nothing about it and at worst they are the cogs supporting the oppression machine.
      • pasabagi 6y ago
        I think the traditional meaning of the word liberal refers to something close to the opinions of The Economist. Socially liberal, economically liberal, and typically moderately imperialist (usually for paternalistic moral reasons). So there's not really much overlap between liberals and the left - it's only the case in America, where the left is really emaciated, where liberalism and leftism become conflated.
      • im3w1l 6y ago
        You are making contradictory criticisms. I could point out where the contradiction lies, but I think doing that may not be the best way, because it would be too superficial: You would just resolve the contradiction one way or the other and be on your way. I think if you looked for it yourself it would be a better exercise and may cause to wonder how and why it arose and expose underlying biases in your thought process. But if you are really stuck I will point it out. Or if you know what I'm thinking of, and think it's not a contradiction feel free say so then I guess.
        • cambalache 6y ago
          " I think you are wrong, but I wont tell you why because otherwise you could refute me" There, your paragraph in fewer words.
          • im3w1l 6y ago
            The contradiction is in being against both self-segragation and gentrification.
            • cambalache 6y ago
              Do you realize that those 2 are basically the same thing, right? High income people creating a cost barrier to low income people to live isolated from them. Nobody complains about gentrification because some hipsters moved to neighborhood, or even because they opened one of those atrocious coffee shops. The main complain is that the, intended or not, result is that low-income people, the people more at risk in the country are thus driven away from historical neighborhoods and pushed more and more to the margins (both literal and figurative) of society. BTW, some ironic thing I've noticed is that many people will retort with "Well, that's how the economy works, supply and demand and all of that, besides, the original owners of the properties will make bank", but when the same dynamics is done to them by rich foreigners buying houses in western cities and driving the prices to the sky they scream murder.
    • sudosysgen 6y ago
      What exactly do you mean by liberal? This is a word that can have a great many definitions.
    • Gibbon1 6y ago
      > The End of History About the time that book was written a friend working in finance said at a party, now that the war on communism is won the war against the middle and working class is on. To bad the suckers won't realize until it's too late.
  • thescriptkiddie 6y ago
    Note that while in the US "liberal" is often used synonymously with "left-wing", in the rest of the world it refers to right-wing libertarian anticommunism. In that sense of the word the wealthy are mostly liberal these days, though some (see England in particular) are still traditional conservatives.
    • joe_91 6y ago
      Yes, in my initial post I had meant "liberal" as in, will they continue being happy under the thumb of a surveillance state which doesn't allow XYZ. Not surprisingly people took that word to mean a great many different things!
  • aaron695 6y ago
    > Jesuschrist!, this have not been true at any point or place in history. I think you are confusing left and liberal. Which was a good short hand last century. Liberal thinking requires exposure to art, travel, education. These all cost money. Rich people protecting their money is not conservative.
• tomjen3 6y ago
  Isn't that what the social credit thing and pervasive surveillance is about?