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The article is nonsense: - China is in the midst of a major famine - the CCP is demolishing houses to resell the land - there is major unemployment due to co

The article is nonsense: - China is in the midst of a major famine - the CCP is demolishing houses to resell the land - there is major unemployment due to corona and the trade war. The CCP is building a wall along the Vietnam border to prevent Chinese citizens from escaping from China.

phyrex 6y ago
Wat? You have a source for any of those claims? That seems like a lot of FUD to me.
MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
Much like the other guy, I too would be interested in some sources. I mean Alex Jones is right on occasion even though he touts about 95% nonsense embellished to make the 5% of truth seem more dramatic. Which is kind of what I'm suggesting about your comment.
russli1993 6y ago
Lol...this is so laughable. All of my friends in China are doing well. They love their country, especially after this year due to being safe from the pandemic. Food is still amazing and varied. Pork prices came back down to previous levels. Economy is doing fine. Most people I know want to be in China, escape to Vietnam? You are hilarious.
dempseye 6y ago
I echo the request for a source.
tomjen3 6y ago
I don't expect OP to provide sources, so I went looking for the evidence of the famine (I expect the party in a one party state to be corrupt and abuse its power and naturally people are going to unemployed when factories shuts down). And there does seem to be some evidence that China is facing, while not a direct famine, then at least potential food insecurity issues [0] serious enough that the leader started operation clean plate, encouraging people not to waste food, the same campaign Mao ran before the great famine[1]. In addition the virus hit at a point where farmers couldn't sell their crops and earn enough to buy seeds and fertilizer for the next year[1] China was also badly hit by the African Swine flue, resulting in a loss of 40%(!) of the Chinese pigs[1] which of course is not great for the pork prices. You can also see [2] but note that this is by a former political prisoner so it is biased. This article [3] says that the answer is that China is not facing a famine nownow, but may do so in the future and the the leader is running the campaign because most of the food is imported. They all seem to unanimously agree that prices have gone up, in some cases (pork) dramatically so (but the increasing prize of meat will not a famine make). [0]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/salgilbertie/2020/07/28/china-food-crisis-rising-domestic-prices-and-large-import-purchases-send-a-signal/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/salgilbertie/2020/07/28/china-f... [1]: https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2020/11/23/is-china-on-the-brink-of-a-food-crisis/ https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2020/11/23/is-china-on-the-brink-... [2]: https://thehill.com/opinion/international/516607-another-famine-coming-china-struggles-to-meet-basic-food-demands https://thehill.com/opinion/international/516607-another-fam... [3]: https://thediplomat.com/2020/09/china-food-security-and-geopolitics/ https://thediplomat.com/2020/09/china-food-security-and-geop...
- hakfoo 6y ago
  I'd wonder if "clean plate" messaging is less about food production/import capacity and more about supply chains. Starving people don't need to be encouraged to eat everything on their plate. On the other hand, quarantines probably stressed their distribution networks pretty bad-- cutting major internal routes off, diverting supplies for cities in lockdown, dealing with goods perishing on loading docks and unharvested crops plowed under. Every kilo of demand saved is a kilo less they have to cram into the transport infrastructure.

phyrex 6y ago

Wat? You have a source for any of those claims? That seems like a lot of FUD to me.

MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago

Much like the other guy, I too would be interested in some sources. I mean Alex Jones is right on occasion even though he touts about 95% nonsense embellished to make the 5% of truth seem more dramatic. Which is kind of what I'm suggesting about your comment.

russli1993 6y ago

Lol...this is so laughable. All of my friends in China are doing well. They love their country, especially after this year due to being safe from the pandemic. Food is still amazing and varied. Pork prices came back down to previous levels. Economy is doing fine. Most people I know want to be in China, escape to Vietnam? You are hilarious.

dempseye 6y ago

I echo the request for a source.

tomjen3 6y ago

I don't expect OP to provide sources, so I went looking for the evidence of the famine (I expect the party in a one party state to be corrupt and abuse its power and naturally people are going to unemployed when factories shuts down). And there does seem to be some evidence that China is facing, while not a direct famine, then at least potential food insecurity issues [0] serious enough that the leader started operation clean plate, encouraging people not to waste food, the same campaign Mao ran before the great famine[1]. In addition the virus hit at a point where farmers couldn't sell their crops and earn enough to buy seeds and fertilizer for the next year[1] China was also badly hit by the African Swine flue, resulting in a loss of 40%(!) of the Chinese pigs[1] which of course is not great for the pork prices. You can also see [2] but note that this is by a former political prisoner so it is biased. This article [3] says that the answer is that China is not facing a famine nownow, but may do so in the future and the the leader is running the campaign because most of the food is imported. They all seem to unanimously agree that prices have gone up, in some cases (pork) dramatically so (but the increasing prize of meat will not a famine make). [0]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/salgilbertie/2020/07/28/china-food-crisis-rising-domestic-prices-and-large-import-purchases-send-a-signal/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/salgilbertie/2020/07/28/china-f... [1]: https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2020/11/23/is-china-on-the-brink-of-a-food-crisis/ https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2020/11/23/is-china-on-the-brink-... [2]: https://thehill.com/opinion/international/516607-another-famine-coming-china-struggles-to-meet-basic-food-demands https://thehill.com/opinion/international/516607-another-fam... [3]: https://thediplomat.com/2020/09/china-food-security-and-geopolitics/ https://thediplomat.com/2020/09/china-food-security-and-geop...

hakfoo 6y ago
I'd wonder if "clean plate" messaging is less about food production/import capacity and more about supply chains. Starving people don't need to be encouraged to eat everything on their plate. On the other hand, quarantines probably stressed their distribution networks pretty bad-- cutting major internal routes off, diverting supplies for cities in lockdown, dealing with goods perishing on loading docks and unharvested crops plowed under. Every kilo of demand saved is a kilo less they have to cram into the transport infrastructure.