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perhaps they shouldn't be tied to a specific WM or even a DE.

pjmlp 6y ago
Perhaps GNU/Linux should decide what it wants to be, besides yet another UNIX kernel clone. That is how Android and ChromeOS happen, or FOSS developers end up buying a BSD based proprietary desktop OS, or even Windows based systems, to develop software for GNU/Linux based cloud environments.
- anthk 6y ago
  That's not a GNU/Linux issue, BSD's have KDE too. Also, back in the day you could compile and run KDE perfectly on Solaris and Irix. >or even Windows based systems, to develop software for GNU/Linux based cloud environments. I/O is still crappy and limited.
  - easton 6y ago
    Heck, KDE is even available on Windows (now just the applications, but at one point you could run Plasma to a certain degree IIRC). https://community.kde.org/Windows https://community.kde.org/Windows
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Ideas like /proc and ToolTalk come from Solaris, no need for KDE to get inspired. Irix had similar ideas as well. That is the thing, these UNIX workstations had a whole stack experience, not what Linux or BSD ever were or are.
    - kps 6y ago
      /proc came from Version 8 UNIX.
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        I stand corrected, thanks.
    - anthk 6y ago
      >That is the thing, these UNIX workstations had a whole stack experience, not what Linux or BSD ever were or are. Uh, Irix with 4DWM and limited DE's were not as powerful as a FreeBSD workstation with KDE3. Not even close. People compiled JWM, IceWM and KDE on Irix and Sparc machines because 4DWM and CDE were horrendously limited and slow. Also, Urxvt ran circles on dterm on cpu/memory usage. Much, much snapppier and faster.
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        Yeah using Inventor on FreeBSD was blazingly fast.
- stretchcat 6y ago
  > Perhaps GNU/Linux should decide GNU/Linux is an abstract idea, not a person, organization, or even community. GNU/Linux cannot 'decide' anything. If you want something else, you should use something else. As you mention, popular alternatives exist.

Perhaps GNU/Linux should decide what it wants to be, besides yet another UNIX kernel clone. That is how Android and ChromeOS happen, or FOSS developers end up buying a BSD based proprietary desktop OS, or even Windows based systems, to develop software for GNU/Linux based cloud environments.

anthk 6y ago
That's not a GNU/Linux issue, BSD's have KDE too. Also, back in the day you could compile and run KDE perfectly on Solaris and Irix. >or even Windows based systems, to develop software for GNU/Linux based cloud environments. I/O is still crappy and limited.
- easton 6y ago
  Heck, KDE is even available on Windows (now just the applications, but at one point you could run Plasma to a certain degree IIRC). https://community.kde.org/Windows https://community.kde.org/Windows
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Ideas like /proc and ToolTalk come from Solaris, no need for KDE to get inspired. Irix had similar ideas as well. That is the thing, these UNIX workstations had a whole stack experience, not what Linux or BSD ever were or are.
  - kps 6y ago
    /proc came from Version 8 UNIX.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      I stand corrected, thanks.
  - anthk 6y ago
    >That is the thing, these UNIX workstations had a whole stack experience, not what Linux or BSD ever were or are. Uh, Irix with 4DWM and limited DE's were not as powerful as a FreeBSD workstation with KDE3. Not even close. People compiled JWM, IceWM and KDE on Irix and Sparc machines because 4DWM and CDE were horrendously limited and slow. Also, Urxvt ran circles on dterm on cpu/memory usage. Much, much snapppier and faster.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Yeah using Inventor on FreeBSD was blazingly fast.
stretchcat 6y ago
> Perhaps GNU/Linux should decide GNU/Linux is an abstract idea, not a person, organization, or even community. GNU/Linux cannot 'decide' anything. If you want something else, you should use something else. As you mention, popular alternatives exist.