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"and probably many more" is an understatement. There is mass organ harvesting from Falun Gong followers [0] and God knows how many die in the Uighur concentrati

"and probably many more" is an understatement. There is mass organ harvesting from Falun Gong followers [0] and God knows how many die in the Uighur concentration camps [1]. There is a 99.9% conviction rate in crimes in China [2] (which is the same as basically having no rule of law) and political prisoners seemingly 'disappear' all the time. China are known for lying consistently about almost everything and keep a tight lid (as much as they can) on anything that would cause them to 'lose face' both within and without the country so any estimates are likely significantly low. [0]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go... [1]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps [2]:https://qz.com/246696/chinas-criminal-conviction-rate-is-99-9/ https://qz.com/246696/chinas-criminal-conviction-rate-is-99-...

barnacled 6y ago
The fact this fully-referenced post got insta-downvoted to -1 says it all about HN.
- strogonoff 6y ago
  I strongly suspect it would be beneficial to require a downvote to be accompanied by a comment. Even if it is an optional thread property depending on the nature of the link posted, and is at moderator’s discretion.
- CyanBird 6y ago
  > It says all about HN. You mean well educated? "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"; Wikipedia and lots of writeups tracing back to the singular source of Adrian Zenz are not it sadly
  - abc-xyz 6y ago
    Most of the claims have nothing to do with Adrian Zenz, and I’d love to know what you have against him since his reporting seem to be factually accurate.
    - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
      This person is making the extraordinary claim that all the provided evidence is bullshit, but ironically delivers no substantial evidence themselves, besides asserting "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". This is what cognitive dissonance looks like.
      - CyanBird 6y ago
        > This is what cognitive dissonance looks like Incorrect, that's what someone on mobile in public transport looks like, but thank you for the benefit of the doubt (?) I would be still interested in non-Zanz related sourcing to the original comments if you have any
        read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        In this context you cannot find any sources that cannot be construed as shady in some way since none of them are official. You of course know this, and you will just question any source thrown at you, as you did previously. So why are you even asking? What's your point? That we don't know for sure whether the CCP is bad? Constant lies and not letting people leave the country aside, how many more screaming indicators of abuse do you need?
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- SenzoT 6y ago
  You referenced Wikipedia articles - says a lot about your inability to properly conduct research. How about referencing the original sources instead?
55555 6y ago
For reference, the US DOJ has a 93% conviction rate. Japan has a 99.3% conviction rate. However, apparently in Japan prosecutors drop about half the cases they are given before sentencing, so the real rate would be about 50%. Do we have a similar stat for China?

barnacled 6y ago

The fact this fully-referenced post got insta-downvoted to -1 says it all about HN.

strogonoff 6y ago
I strongly suspect it would be beneficial to require a downvote to be accompanied by a comment. Even if it is an optional thread property depending on the nature of the link posted, and is at moderator’s discretion.
CyanBird 6y ago
> It says all about HN. You mean well educated? "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"; Wikipedia and lots of writeups tracing back to the singular source of Adrian Zenz are not it sadly
- abc-xyz 6y ago
  Most of the claims have nothing to do with Adrian Zenz, and I’d love to know what you have against him since his reporting seem to be factually accurate.
  - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
    This person is making the extraordinary claim that all the provided evidence is bullshit, but ironically delivers no substantial evidence themselves, besides asserting "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". This is what cognitive dissonance looks like.
    - CyanBird 6y ago
      > This is what cognitive dissonance looks like Incorrect, that's what someone on mobile in public transport looks like, but thank you for the benefit of the doubt (?) I would be still interested in non-Zanz related sourcing to the original comments if you have any
      - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        In this context you cannot find any sources that cannot be construed as shady in some way since none of them are official. You of course know this, and you will just question any source thrown at you, as you did previously. So why are you even asking? What's your point? That we don't know for sure whether the CCP is bad? Constant lies and not letting people leave the country aside, how many more screaming indicators of abuse do you need?
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SenzoT 6y ago
You referenced Wikipedia articles - says a lot about your inability to properly conduct research. How about referencing the original sources instead?

55555 6y ago

For reference, the US DOJ has a 93% conviction rate. Japan has a 99.3% conviction rate. However, apparently in Japan prosecutors drop about half the cases they are given before sentencing, so the real rate would be about 50%. Do we have a similar stat for China?