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Arthur Jafa’s Radical Alienation

8 points by philshem 6y ago

odomojuli 6y ago
I saw "Love is the Message, the Message is Death" at the SFMOMA. It was the first and only time I have ever been reduced to complete sobbing in public by a piece of art.
philshem 6y ago
> Most of the images are found footage, taken from YouTube. Their emotional impact comes from the way Jafa has put them together, shifting and editing and choreographing to create a flow of deeply resonant juxtapositions... As I read the article, I couldn’t help but to think what a beautiful reason for tools like youtube-dl to exist. I haven’t found an official video source, only this bootleg copy: Arthur Jafa: “Love is the Message, the Message is Death” https://youtu.be/lKWmx0JNmqY https://youtu.be/lKWmx0JNmqY
paganel 6y ago
Former WASP magazines and cultural venues “discover” black artists after all this years only because they’re black, nothing about their art, nothing about their inner feelings and everything that might be artist/related that it’s not in some way or another related to said artists’ “blackness”. It’s Get Out (the movie) taken to the next level.
- seeflagged 6y ago
  Come on, my friend. We all know that New Yorker is not a WASP magazine.
- friendlybus 6y ago
  WASP privilege is fading. It's either melt into humanity or lift the future cultural leaders into heaven. They are doing the latter. The problem with lifting future leaders is they are not ready yet. They need humanity to grow to a point where the next cultural force has something to say.
antisoeu 6y ago
"The filmmaker left an art world he found too white" - fuck that guy. Didn't read on after that. Who gives a shit about the opinions of racists. Odds that his "art" is not racist are zero.
- little_goat_boy 6y ago
  Can we talk more about this? I think of hacker news as a place to discuss differing opinions and this response seems like something I'd like to understand better. When does opting out of a cultural scene == racism?
  - yaakov34 6y ago
    Why are you playing dumb? Rejecting things as "too white", "too black" or "too Asian" is racist.
    - bgilroy26 6y ago
      It's a matter of taste and taste is speech. Let it be freee
      - antisoeu 6y ago
        It's still racist. I personally even think racism should be legal - in general, people having wrong opinions should be legal. Doesn't mean I have to like them.
        bgilroy26 6y ago
        >Doesn't mean I have to like them. Yes.
  - antisoeu 6y ago
    It's racism if you define a scene by people's skin color. Not sure what there is to talk about. yaakov34 explains it well.
ur-whale 6y ago
https://archive.is/w2G7R https://archive.is/w2G7R

8 points by philshem 6y ago

I saw "Love is the Message, the Message is Death" at the SFMOMA. It was the first and only time I have ever been reduced to complete sobbing in public by a piece of art.

philshem 6y ago

> Most of the images are found footage, taken from YouTube. Their emotional impact comes from the way Jafa has put them together, shifting and editing and choreographing to create a flow of deeply resonant juxtapositions... As I read the article, I couldn’t help but to think what a beautiful reason for tools like youtube-dl to exist. I haven’t found an official video source, only this bootleg copy: Arthur Jafa: “Love is the Message, the Message is Death” https://youtu.be/lKWmx0JNmqY https://youtu.be/lKWmx0JNmqY

paganel 6y ago

Former WASP magazines and cultural venues “discover” black artists after all this years only because they’re black, nothing about their art, nothing about their inner feelings and everything that might be artist/related that it’s not in some way or another related to said artists’ “blackness”. It’s Get Out (the movie) taken to the next level.

seeflagged 6y ago
Come on, my friend. We all know that New Yorker is not a WASP magazine.
friendlybus 6y ago
WASP privilege is fading. It's either melt into humanity or lift the future cultural leaders into heaven. They are doing the latter. The problem with lifting future leaders is they are not ready yet. They need humanity to grow to a point where the next cultural force has something to say.

antisoeu 6y ago

"The filmmaker left an art world he found too white" - fuck that guy. Didn't read on after that. Who gives a shit about the opinions of racists. Odds that his "art" is not racist are zero.

little_goat_boy 6y ago
Can we talk more about this? I think of hacker news as a place to discuss differing opinions and this response seems like something I'd like to understand better. When does opting out of a cultural scene == racism?
- yaakov34 6y ago
  Why are you playing dumb? Rejecting things as "too white", "too black" or "too Asian" is racist.
  - bgilroy26 6y ago
    It's a matter of taste and taste is speech. Let it be freee
    - antisoeu 6y ago
      It's still racist. I personally even think racism should be legal - in general, people having wrong opinions should be legal. Doesn't mean I have to like them.
      - bgilroy26 6y ago
        >Doesn't mean I have to like them. Yes.
- antisoeu 6y ago
  It's racism if you define a scene by people's skin color. Not sure what there is to talk about. yaakov34 explains it well.

ur-whale 6y ago

https://archive.is/w2G7R https://archive.is/w2G7R