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What is that, per-capita vs other states though? Curious how effective californias measures are, currently.

option 6y ago
Based on the CDC data CA is worse than Florida per capita for the last 7 days. In CA: 1) outdoor dining is banned 2) indoor malls are OK 3) Casinos (which operate on tribal lands) are open for indoor dining and entertainment https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100k...
- danans 6y ago
  California's stats are pulled in the bad direction by Southern California, which has throughout the pandemic experienced much higher disease and mortality rates. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/covid-surge-los-angeles-sf-bay-area-orange-county-15837483.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/covid-surge-los-... It's hard to know exactly what's behind the difference between Northern and Southern CA, but anecdotally, mask and social distancing adherence is lower in Southern California.
  - option 6y ago
    lower than in Florida? Personally, I blame stupid restrictions. Anecdotally, I know several families who gathered indoors with friends because their previous plans for holidays like skiing or just sitting in snow i Tahoe (by themselves only) or meeting for outdoor dining were all banned.
    - foogazi 6y ago
      > Anecdotally, I know several families who gathered indoors with friends No one is forced to gather indoors though. People chose to do it. Given the option they would have dined indoors too, gone to church, concerts, etc
    - rualca 6y ago
      > Anecdotally, I know several families who gathered indoors with friends (...) Why? I mean, they certainly were aware that there's an epidemic ravaging the world which spreads like wildfire by gathering indoors. Why should they try to pin the blame on a government official when this mess is self-inflicted and due to intentionally ignoring, either completely or selectively, basic safety guidelines.
      - danans 6y ago
        Maybe their convenience matters more to them than others' lives at the moment ... until such a time that it's their lives on the line, at which point they will probably demand that the healthcare system spare no expense to save them.
    - danans 6y ago
      > lower than in Florida? It's not a straight comparison. Population density is higher in California, for one thing. > Anecdotally, I know several families who gathered indoors with friends because their previous plans ... were all banned I think you are reinforcing my point, which is that many people are choosing to violate public health protocols, so not surprising if case rates rise.
  - vondur 6y ago
    Masks are ubiquitous here in SoCal. The main differentiator is the much higher concentration of people in SoCal. In certain areas you may have multiple households in one house/apartment, and you also have generations of people living together.
    - danans 6y ago
      > The main differentiator is the much higher concentration of people in SoCal. Higher population, yes, but not higher concentration (density). But both areas have very large populations, so it's not a differentiator. > In certain areas you may have multiple households in one house/apartment, and you also have generations of people living together. This is also true in NorCal, after all cost of housing is even higher here.
  - foogazi 6y ago
    Los Angeles, Orange & San Diego counties have 40% of the CA population Add in Riverside and San Bernardino and it’s 50% - not the densest place but so many people in the same region moving around for shopping/holidays had to drive up infections
    - danans 6y ago
      I'd posit that the Bay Area has a higher rate of people who can work from home due to the software industry, which reduces the rate of transmission. However, it's still anyone's guess. A year from now maybe the data will be clearer.
- r00fus 6y ago
  Florida? I wouldn’t exactly trust [1] their numbers to be delayed or simply not reported. How about comparing to another high trust state that’s also heavily impacted? [1] https://www.salon.com/2020/12/16/desantis-faces-renewed-scrutiny-following-discovery-of-mysterious-gap-in-floridas-covid-death-tally/ https://www.salon.com/2020/12/16/desantis-faces-renewed-scru...
  - swayvil 6y ago
    Would you trust California's? Over-reporting is a thing. Notoriously so.
tzs 6y ago
For one week average deaths per capital California is around around 20-25th highest. For one week average new cases per capita, California is #1 or #2. The timing of the third wave differs considerably among the states, with several states having had it hit them 30-50 days before it hit California. Those states are now past their peaks. California will probably end up somewhere between between 6th and 10th place for third wave peak one weak average when everyone is past their third wave peak. For total cases per capita over the whole pandemic, right now they are around 26th. The might move up some, but probably not much, so should finish in the middle somewhere when this is over. For total deaths per capita over the whole pandemic, right now they are around 40th. I'd expect them to move up more on that than on cases, due to resource limits on their medical system.

Based on the CDC data CA is worse than Florida per capita for the last 7 days. In CA: 1) outdoor dining is banned 2) indoor malls are OK 3) Casinos (which operate on tribal lands) are open for indoor dining and entertainment https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100k...

danans 6y ago
California's stats are pulled in the bad direction by Southern California, which has throughout the pandemic experienced much higher disease and mortality rates. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/covid-surge-los-angeles-sf-bay-area-orange-county-15837483.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/covid-surge-los-... It's hard to know exactly what's behind the difference between Northern and Southern CA, but anecdotally, mask and social distancing adherence is lower in Southern California.
- option 6y ago
  lower than in Florida? Personally, I blame stupid restrictions. Anecdotally, I know several families who gathered indoors with friends because their previous plans for holidays like skiing or just sitting in snow i Tahoe (by themselves only) or meeting for outdoor dining were all banned.
  - foogazi 6y ago
    > Anecdotally, I know several families who gathered indoors with friends No one is forced to gather indoors though. People chose to do it. Given the option they would have dined indoors too, gone to church, concerts, etc
  - rualca 6y ago
    > Anecdotally, I know several families who gathered indoors with friends (...) Why? I mean, they certainly were aware that there's an epidemic ravaging the world which spreads like wildfire by gathering indoors. Why should they try to pin the blame on a government official when this mess is self-inflicted and due to intentionally ignoring, either completely or selectively, basic safety guidelines.
    - danans 6y ago
      Maybe their convenience matters more to them than others' lives at the moment ... until such a time that it's their lives on the line, at which point they will probably demand that the healthcare system spare no expense to save them.
  - danans 6y ago
    > lower than in Florida? It's not a straight comparison. Population density is higher in California, for one thing. > Anecdotally, I know several families who gathered indoors with friends because their previous plans ... were all banned I think you are reinforcing my point, which is that many people are choosing to violate public health protocols, so not surprising if case rates rise.
- vondur 6y ago
  Masks are ubiquitous here in SoCal. The main differentiator is the much higher concentration of people in SoCal. In certain areas you may have multiple households in one house/apartment, and you also have generations of people living together.
  - danans 6y ago
    > The main differentiator is the much higher concentration of people in SoCal. Higher population, yes, but not higher concentration (density). But both areas have very large populations, so it's not a differentiator. > In certain areas you may have multiple households in one house/apartment, and you also have generations of people living together. This is also true in NorCal, after all cost of housing is even higher here.
- foogazi 6y ago
  Los Angeles, Orange & San Diego counties have 40% of the CA population Add in Riverside and San Bernardino and it’s 50% - not the densest place but so many people in the same region moving around for shopping/holidays had to drive up infections
  - danans 6y ago
    I'd posit that the Bay Area has a higher rate of people who can work from home due to the software industry, which reduces the rate of transmission. However, it's still anyone's guess. A year from now maybe the data will be clearer.
r00fus 6y ago
Florida? I wouldn’t exactly trust [1] their numbers to be delayed or simply not reported. How about comparing to another high trust state that’s also heavily impacted? [1] https://www.salon.com/2020/12/16/desantis-faces-renewed-scrutiny-following-discovery-of-mysterious-gap-in-floridas-covid-death-tally/ https://www.salon.com/2020/12/16/desantis-faces-renewed-scru...
- swayvil 6y ago
  Would you trust California's? Over-reporting is a thing. Notoriously so.

tzs 6y ago

For one week average deaths per capital California is around around 20-25th highest. For one week average new cases per capita, California is #1 or #2. The timing of the third wave differs considerably among the states, with several states having had it hit them 30-50 days before it hit California. Those states are now past their peaks. California will probably end up somewhere between between 6th and 10th place for third wave peak one weak average when everyone is past their third wave peak. For total cases per capita over the whole pandemic, right now they are around 26th. The might move up some, but probably not much, so should finish in the middle somewhere when this is over. For total deaths per capita over the whole pandemic, right now they are around 40th. I'd expect them to move up more on that than on cases, due to resource limits on their medical system.