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I'm not sure I get what's the problem with schools and prisons looking the same. Prisons should look like the rest of the world after all, they're supposed to

by kace91 6y ago

I'm not sure I get what's the problem with schools and prisons looking the same. Prisons should look like the rest of the world after all, they're supposed to be places where you learn to function in society.

jstummbillig 6y ago
Fair enough. If our prisons end up looking open, warm and inviting, then that would be a very positive outcome indeed. That's not my takeaway, after looking at these photos though.
- throwaway201103 6y ago
  Prisons have to be resistant to the attempts of their occupants to escape, or to cause damage or destruction. This doesn't really seem compatible with warm and inviting.
  - lambda_obrien 6y ago
    Most prisoners don't want to escape, or cause harm, they just want to finish the term and go home and move on. I'd say you could have the honor system (unlocked doors) for 95 percent of prisoners, by letting them know if they escape they'll go to a more secure and less free prison. Then you make prison a place to learn new skills and get treatment for addictions and therapy, and you'll actually see some improvement in society. Also, send less people to prison.
    - throwaway201103 6y ago
      We already have prisons like that for low-risk, nonviolent offenders. They are called minimum security or "country club" prisons. We also have home detention.
      - lambda_obrien 6y ago
        In America that's so rare it's nonexistent. A few rich white collar criminals might get home detention, but for most people who have the option, it's too expensive, with fees of hundreds of dollars a month or more. Country club prisons aren't a real thing, that's just talking points for the "tough on crime" politicians who want to make prison sound fun.
  - kace91 6y ago
    They can be. If you're curious, check out "worlds toughest prisons" on Netflix, an episode that shows a Norwegian rehabilitation-focused prison. You can see how the place is both secure and warm.
    - djur 6y ago
      I've seen pictures of Norwegian prisons. They certainly look comfortable, but I wouldn't describe them as "open, warm, and inviting". They look halfway between a no-frills dorm and the psychiatric ward I stayed in for a while as a teenager. Certainly far more humane than American prisons, but still clearly _institutional_.
      - MajorBee 6y ago
        Once again, the adage "don't let perfection be the enemy of good" applies.
- watwut 6y ago
  To me, they looked like buildings. Neither looked horrifying, they were just normal buildings. You would have to make prison intentionally bad looking from outside to make some effect. And i wild still strongly preferred to go to school rather then prison.

by kace91 6y ago

jstummbillig 6y ago

Fair enough. If our prisons end up looking open, warm and inviting, then that would be a very positive outcome indeed. That's not my takeaway, after looking at these photos though.

throwaway201103 6y ago
Prisons have to be resistant to the attempts of their occupants to escape, or to cause damage or destruction. This doesn't really seem compatible with warm and inviting.
- lambda_obrien 6y ago
  Most prisoners don't want to escape, or cause harm, they just want to finish the term and go home and move on. I'd say you could have the honor system (unlocked doors) for 95 percent of prisoners, by letting them know if they escape they'll go to a more secure and less free prison. Then you make prison a place to learn new skills and get treatment for addictions and therapy, and you'll actually see some improvement in society. Also, send less people to prison.
  - throwaway201103 6y ago
    We already have prisons like that for low-risk, nonviolent offenders. They are called minimum security or "country club" prisons. We also have home detention.
    - lambda_obrien 6y ago
      In America that's so rare it's nonexistent. A few rich white collar criminals might get home detention, but for most people who have the option, it's too expensive, with fees of hundreds of dollars a month or more. Country club prisons aren't a real thing, that's just talking points for the "tough on crime" politicians who want to make prison sound fun.
- kace91 6y ago
  They can be. If you're curious, check out "worlds toughest prisons" on Netflix, an episode that shows a Norwegian rehabilitation-focused prison. You can see how the place is both secure and warm.
  - djur 6y ago
    I've seen pictures of Norwegian prisons. They certainly look comfortable, but I wouldn't describe them as "open, warm, and inviting". They look halfway between a no-frills dorm and the psychiatric ward I stayed in for a while as a teenager. Certainly far more humane than American prisons, but still clearly _institutional_.
    - MajorBee 6y ago
      Once again, the adage "don't let perfection be the enemy of good" applies.
watwut 6y ago
To me, they looked like buildings. Neither looked horrifying, they were just normal buildings. You would have to make prison intentionally bad looking from outside to make some effect. And i wild still strongly preferred to go to school rather then prison.