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Americans being American. "We love freedom of speech but fuck you if your product name mentions a chemical compound or a word I or someone else might find offen
by hugi 6y ago
Americans being American. "We love freedom of speech but fuck you if your product name mentions a chemical compound or a word I or someone else might find offending".
- powersnail 6y agoI don't see how any of these contradict freedom of speech. We are talking about 1) people being offended by a name; 2) a company banning an app on their own app store. Whether you find the situation distasteful, it has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Neither the offended people nor Apple is infringing on the developer's freedom speech.
- GCA10 6y agoFreedom of speech isn't the same as freedom of distribution. There are lots of edgy things that you can say somewhere. You just can't say them everywhere. We can have lots of lively debate about how to draw the boundaries. But we'll get a lot farther if we can move beyond the two-state absolutism of "allowable everywhere" vs. "outright banned with breath-taking severity."
- jethro_tell 6y agoThis is still not it. He's not facing a government warrent. Freedom of speech means the government won't/can't prosecute you for what you say. It doesn't have anything to do with how companies or private citizens respond to your words. You're (usually) legally allowed to say you'll fuck my mom but I don't have to bring you over for family dinner. One could contend that apple's refusal to host this app on it's store is in itself free speech. Either way, the government jasent gotten involved so nothing here treads on free speech issues.
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago> Freedom of speech means the government won't/can't prosecute you for what you say The First Amendment says this. Freedom of speech is “a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction” [1]. It is broader than the First Amendment, and gave rise to it, though the First Amendment is its most successful codification in the modern world. A society that shuns those who say “bad” things, even without state action, may not hold true to the values of freedom of speech. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech
- jethro_tell 6y agoNo, you have the right to hold and express any view you want. You don't get to choose peoples reaction or the way they view you after you say something. That would be infringing on their right to hold or express opinions about your views. What's complicated about that?
- strken 6y agoThe complicated part is that freedom of speech is both a legal right in the US and an ethical principle globally, and your legal rights are less broad than the ethical principle. Something that is legal can still be in violation of the ethical principle. You say "[we] don't get to choose [people's reactions]", but this is not at all relevant. We're not asking whether their actions are legal or whether we can legally dictate what they think, we're asking whether they're acting ethically.
- manigandham 6y agoThat is the First Amendment, not freedom of speech. One is law, the other is a principle.
- raverbashing 6y agoFor purporting themselves as worldwide champions of freedom of speech it's kinda funny to see how Americans react when that freedom of speech involves sexuality, cursing or substance use. Show as much violence in a movie as you want, but two swearwords and the rating is bumped up.