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I find it totally believable that a Muslim would get harrassed given the current toxic political climate.

microtherion 6y ago
It's hard to know what's going on in every corner of a company as large as Apple, but open harassment certainly would not fly in our particular organization. Our team alone has engineers belonging to 4 different religions I know of (and obviously quite a few not identifying with any particular religion), and I've seen at least Christians, Hindus, and Muslims promoted to management.
- kamaal 6y ago
  >>but open harassment certainly would not fly in our particular organization. Can't comment much on Apple. But as a Muslim I've seen this in quite a few places. Both in India and the US. It's not even that much a company thing as much as it is a personal thing. Some people are just bigoted and don't like you. In fact the very sight of your existence disturbs them very deeply. And yeah, if you are better than them, it just makes the problem more worse. It's like they have to now deal with the realization deep down that they inferior to the person they hate. Mostly Muslims just move on, because we have bills to pay, and families to support. Over long periods of time, it's not really possible to fight these political battles every time you have bigots around you. I've also known cases when things are proven beyond doubt and the HR is likely to take action on the bigot, they start citing excuses like 'mental health' and 'personal preferences'. You can't win this, there are going to be these kind of people anywhere you go. You just leave them to their state, and move on.
  - microtherion 6y ago
    I can't vouch for a complete absence of hidden prejudice, and I'm sure sometimes things happen that people perceive as discriminatory (e.g. on team outings, not everybody automatically remembers the vegetarians when picking restaurants, and one person's jocular lunch banter might be stepping on the trunk / kicking the cross of another person's deity of choice, etc).
    - kamaal 6y ago
      There is a big difference between this and not getting promoted by a manager who just promoted an easily identifiable inferior performer belonging to their own religion/caste. Or they praising that kind of a guy in every team meeting, or sending out appreciation emails for trivial stuff. It becomes more than obvious they building a case to promote their people. I've even gotten cold stares for using the office budgets for books, Why do people like you have to read books and get better than us? Many times it's subtle, but some people are just living through bigotry day in and out. They just can't stand you. And it becomes visible easily.
EricE 6y ago
I've read lots of workplace complaints and talked with lots of different people about their workspace experiences and this persons description rings hollow in many places. You are crazy if you think a publicly traded company the size of Apple would tolerate religious discrimination or anything like what is described in this post. Double so for Apple who has gone woke. I'd expect a white Christian to get hazed LONG before anyone would even THINK of harassing a Muslim at Apple.

It's hard to know what's going on in every corner of a company as large as Apple, but open harassment certainly would not fly in our particular organization. Our team alone has engineers belonging to 4 different religions I know of (and obviously quite a few not identifying with any particular religion), and I've seen at least Christians, Hindus, and Muslims promoted to management.

kamaal 6y ago
>>but open harassment certainly would not fly in our particular organization. Can't comment much on Apple. But as a Muslim I've seen this in quite a few places. Both in India and the US. It's not even that much a company thing as much as it is a personal thing. Some people are just bigoted and don't like you. In fact the very sight of your existence disturbs them very deeply. And yeah, if you are better than them, it just makes the problem more worse. It's like they have to now deal with the realization deep down that they inferior to the person they hate. Mostly Muslims just move on, because we have bills to pay, and families to support. Over long periods of time, it's not really possible to fight these political battles every time you have bigots around you. I've also known cases when things are proven beyond doubt and the HR is likely to take action on the bigot, they start citing excuses like 'mental health' and 'personal preferences'. You can't win this, there are going to be these kind of people anywhere you go. You just leave them to their state, and move on.
- microtherion 6y ago
  I can't vouch for a complete absence of hidden prejudice, and I'm sure sometimes things happen that people perceive as discriminatory (e.g. on team outings, not everybody automatically remembers the vegetarians when picking restaurants, and one person's jocular lunch banter might be stepping on the trunk / kicking the cross of another person's deity of choice, etc).
  - kamaal 6y ago
    There is a big difference between this and not getting promoted by a manager who just promoted an easily identifiable inferior performer belonging to their own religion/caste. Or they praising that kind of a guy in every team meeting, or sending out appreciation emails for trivial stuff. It becomes more than obvious they building a case to promote their people. I've even gotten cold stares for using the office budgets for books, Why do people like you have to read books and get better than us? Many times it's subtle, but some people are just living through bigotry day in and out. They just can't stand you. And it becomes visible easily.

EricE 6y ago

I've read lots of workplace complaints and talked with lots of different people about their workspace experiences and this persons description rings hollow in many places. You are crazy if you think a publicly traded company the size of Apple would tolerate religious discrimination or anything like what is described in this post. Double so for Apple who has gone woke. I'd expect a white Christian to get hazed LONG before anyone would even THINK of harassing a Muslim at Apple.