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Also one of the only places with a nontrivial amount of people who would lie about needing to go to the bathroom, many times per day, just to be disruptive and/

by finnh 6y ago

Also one of the only places with a nontrivial amount of people who would lie about needing to go to the bathroom, many times per day, just to be disruptive and/or to get out of class. aka "this is why we can't have nice things", juvenile edition :)

gpm 6y ago
I think you need to ask why a non trivial amount of people would lie about needing to go to the bathroom. This is not a common behavior of teenagers at home, in a museum, at camp, on a canoe trip, or just about anywhere else I can think of...
- neolog 6y ago
  Pretty common at parties and other social gatherings.
- alisonkisk 6y ago
  Kids lie to avoid esting vegetables. Are vegetables prison?
  - gpm 6y ago
    Kids lie to avoid eating vegetables... because humans are evolutionary adapted to really like sugar, and they know that higher sugar foods exist. Sugar = good is no longer an appropriate heuristic given the change in nutritional availability - in fact it is now harmful - so we force kids to behave differently. It's not clear that school is similar. Is it not the case that people learn better when they are adequately stimulated and engaged? Even if not, how far should we go in making kids miserable to force them to learn more? Do we need to make them miserable or is there an alternative? This is what I mean by asking why, and it's not clear to me what all the answers are (it's a very complex question).
Der_Einzige 6y ago
Teachers can deal with it. It's worth it to have to deal with the second order effects of folks lying to be disruptive or getting out of class so that we don't deny basic bathroom rights to those who need it most. I have literally ZERO sympathy for any teacher who has shitty (haha) bathroom policies.
Nextgrid 6y ago
> just to be disruptive and/or to get out of class Stopping making a big deal out of it will remove the disruption factor. If you can just get up and leave and nobody pays attention the act will quickly lose its effect. > to get out of class This suggests there's a bigger problem there if people are so desperate to get out as to fake a bathroom break, but anyway, why not let them? What's the harm? If these people are bored/disgruntled/etc then you already lost the game and no amount of force or coercion will change their mind.
eeZah7Ux 6y ago
Streets are one of the only places that all bank robbers go after a robbery, just to get out of the bank. This is why we can't have streets... ?!? Jokes aside, you just provided a very good example of the prison mindset: Instead of trying to understand the "problem" of students going too often to the bathroom, the default choice is to make the behavior prohibited.

by finnh 6y ago

gpm 6y ago

I think you need to ask why a non trivial amount of people would lie about needing to go to the bathroom. This is not a common behavior of teenagers at home, in a museum, at camp, on a canoe trip, or just about anywhere else I can think of...

neolog 6y ago
Pretty common at parties and other social gatherings.
alisonkisk 6y ago
Kids lie to avoid esting vegetables. Are vegetables prison?
- gpm 6y ago
  Kids lie to avoid eating vegetables... because humans are evolutionary adapted to really like sugar, and they know that higher sugar foods exist. Sugar = good is no longer an appropriate heuristic given the change in nutritional availability - in fact it is now harmful - so we force kids to behave differently. It's not clear that school is similar. Is it not the case that people learn better when they are adequately stimulated and engaged? Even if not, how far should we go in making kids miserable to force them to learn more? Do we need to make them miserable or is there an alternative? This is what I mean by asking why, and it's not clear to me what all the answers are (it's a very complex question).

Der_Einzige 6y ago

Teachers can deal with it. It's worth it to have to deal with the second order effects of folks lying to be disruptive or getting out of class so that we don't deny basic bathroom rights to those who need it most. I have literally ZERO sympathy for any teacher who has shitty (haha) bathroom policies.

Nextgrid 6y ago

> just to be disruptive and/or to get out of class Stopping making a big deal out of it will remove the disruption factor. If you can just get up and leave and nobody pays attention the act will quickly lose its effect. > to get out of class This suggests there's a bigger problem there if people are so desperate to get out as to fake a bathroom break, but anyway, why not let them? What's the harm? If these people are bored/disgruntled/etc then you already lost the game and no amount of force or coercion will change their mind.

eeZah7Ux 6y ago

Streets are one of the only places that all bank robbers go after a robbery, just to get out of the bank. This is why we can't have streets... ?!? Jokes aside, you just provided a very good example of the prison mindset: Instead of trying to understand the "problem" of students going too often to the bathroom, the default choice is to make the behavior prohibited.