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https://nlpc.org/2020/12/30/report-uighur-slaves-forced-to-work-in-apple-suppliers-factory/ https://nlpc.org/2020/12/30/report-uighur-slaves-forced-to-w...

bdcravens 6y ago
Apple and many others: "In all, ASPI’s research has identified 82 foreign and Chinese companies potentially directly or indirectly benefiting from the use of Uyghur workers outside Xinjiang through abusive labour transfer programs as recently as 2019: Abercrombie & Fitch, Acer, Adidas, Alstom, Amazon, Apple, ASUS, BAIC Motor, Bestway, BMW, Bombardier, Bosch, BYD, Calvin Klein, Candy, Carter’s, Cerruti 1881, Changan Automobile, Cisco, CRRC, Dell, Electrolux, Fila, Founder Group, GAC Group (automobiles), Gap, Geely Auto, General Motors, Google, Goertek, H&M, Haier, Hart Schaffner Marx, Hisense, Hitachi, HP, HTC, Huawei, iFlyTek, Jack & Jones, Jaguar, Japan Display Inc., L.L.Bean, Lacoste, Land Rover, Lenovo, LG, Li-Ning, Mayor, Meizu, Mercedes-Benz, MG, Microsoft, Mitsubishi, Mitsumi, Nike, Nintendo, Nokia, Oculus, Oppo, Panasonic, Polo Ralph Lauren, Puma, SAIC Motor, Samsung, SGMW, Sharp, Siemens, Skechers, Sony, TDK, Tommy Hilfiger, Toshiba, Tsinghua Tongfang, Uniqlo, Victoria’s Secret, Vivo, Volkswagen, Xiaomi, Zara, Zegna, ZTE." https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale
- ganstyles 6y ago
  I am mad at all of them for their labor practices. Even if I wasn't, one company doing something nefarious isn't vindicated because others are doing same.
  - bdcravens 6y ago
    I agree; it just seems to me the discussion is framed in such a way to paint Apple as being uniquely evil in this regard.
  - zepto 6y ago
    Are they ‘doing something nefarious’? At what point did they become aware that forced labor was being used, and what are they trying to do to change the situation? If you don’t know the answer to these questions, it seems unclear that they are ‘doing something nefarious’. I think doing business in China inevitably creates exposure to these problems. I think people knew China had problems like this when they started investing there. However I don’t think anyone anticipated China getting worse in this way.
- chipotle_coyote 6y ago
  I see there's been (at least some) downvoting of this comment, but it's not irrelevant. Pointing out that other companies have the same problem doesn't give Apple a "get out of criticism free" card, but it's worth keeping in mind that Apple gets singled out for this kind of criticism in part because they promote their efforts to be better than the norm in this regard, which invites a more critical eye.
  - bdcravens 6y ago
    Every time I post that link it gets downvoted. Yet every time I post it, it's in response to someone implying Apple is uniquely evil. I certainly don't feel they deserve a pass, but it's such a ubiquitous problem that it's almost pointless to use as a talking point. (It's like saying Politician X is inherently bad because they accept corporate money)
    - AsyncAwait 6y ago
      > implying Apple is uniquely evil. It's not that they're uniquely evil, rather that they don't have the moral authority to lecture.
      - zepto 6y ago
        Who are they lecturing on what?
        AsyncAwait 6y ago
        App developers on what names are 'inappropriate', if you will.
        zepto 6y ago
        I see that they made a commercial decision. I don’t see any moralizing or lecturing. Is there somewhere they are saying the name is morally wrong?
- zepto 6y ago
  I don’t see anyone complaining about Occulus, Google or Microsoft’s labor practices on threads about them. Perhaps that will change if people read this list.

bdcravens 6y ago

Apple and many others: "In all, ASPI’s research has identified 82 foreign and Chinese companies potentially directly or indirectly benefiting from the use of Uyghur workers outside Xinjiang through abusive labour transfer programs as recently as 2019: Abercrombie & Fitch, Acer, Adidas, Alstom, Amazon, Apple, ASUS, BAIC Motor, Bestway, BMW, Bombardier, Bosch, BYD, Calvin Klein, Candy, Carter’s, Cerruti 1881, Changan Automobile, Cisco, CRRC, Dell, Electrolux, Fila, Founder Group, GAC Group (automobiles), Gap, Geely Auto, General Motors, Google, Goertek, H&M, Haier, Hart Schaffner Marx, Hisense, Hitachi, HP, HTC, Huawei, iFlyTek, Jack & Jones, Jaguar, Japan Display Inc., L.L.Bean, Lacoste, Land Rover, Lenovo, LG, Li-Ning, Mayor, Meizu, Mercedes-Benz, MG, Microsoft, Mitsubishi, Mitsumi, Nike, Nintendo, Nokia, Oculus, Oppo, Panasonic, Polo Ralph Lauren, Puma, SAIC Motor, Samsung, SGMW, Sharp, Siemens, Skechers, Sony, TDK, Tommy Hilfiger, Toshiba, Tsinghua Tongfang, Uniqlo, Victoria’s Secret, Vivo, Volkswagen, Xiaomi, Zara, Zegna, ZTE." https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale

ganstyles 6y ago
I am mad at all of them for their labor practices. Even if I wasn't, one company doing something nefarious isn't vindicated because others are doing same.
- bdcravens 6y ago
  I agree; it just seems to me the discussion is framed in such a way to paint Apple as being uniquely evil in this regard.
- zepto 6y ago
  Are they ‘doing something nefarious’? At what point did they become aware that forced labor was being used, and what are they trying to do to change the situation? If you don’t know the answer to these questions, it seems unclear that they are ‘doing something nefarious’. I think doing business in China inevitably creates exposure to these problems. I think people knew China had problems like this when they started investing there. However I don’t think anyone anticipated China getting worse in this way.
chipotle_coyote 6y ago
I see there's been (at least some) downvoting of this comment, but it's not irrelevant. Pointing out that other companies have the same problem doesn't give Apple a "get out of criticism free" card, but it's worth keeping in mind that Apple gets singled out for this kind of criticism in part because they promote their efforts to be better than the norm in this regard, which invites a more critical eye.
- bdcravens 6y ago
  Every time I post that link it gets downvoted. Yet every time I post it, it's in response to someone implying Apple is uniquely evil. I certainly don't feel they deserve a pass, but it's such a ubiquitous problem that it's almost pointless to use as a talking point. (It's like saying Politician X is inherently bad because they accept corporate money)
  - AsyncAwait 6y ago
    > implying Apple is uniquely evil. It's not that they're uniquely evil, rather that they don't have the moral authority to lecture.
    - zepto 6y ago
      Who are they lecturing on what?
      - AsyncAwait 6y ago
        App developers on what names are 'inappropriate', if you will.
        zepto 6y ago
        I see that they made a commercial decision. I don’t see any moralizing or lecturing. Is there somewhere they are saying the name is morally wrong?
zepto 6y ago
I don’t see anyone complaining about Occulus, Google or Microsoft’s labor practices on threads about them. Perhaps that will change if people read this list.