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Regarding 5G I thought the same but according to Sabine it is not quite clear it is safe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBsP-bmDLOo https://www.youtube.com/wa

Regarding 5G I thought the same but according to Sabine it is not quite clear it is safe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBsP-bmDLOo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBsP-bmDLOo [14:00] "Now the thing is if you look what is known about the health risks from long-term exposure to the new millimeter waves band, there are basically no studies. "

jiggawatts 6y ago
There have been studies, just not many. It's hard to get funding to study something where there isn't a theoretically plausible mechanism for damage, and where the few experiments to "double check" found nothing, as expected. Millimeter waves aren't "new" either. The "new" part is using mm waves for data. For decades now there have been tons of applications for mm wave radiation, and often at much higher power levels. All sorts of satellite communications, radar, etc... This isn't a situation where some scientist discovers an entirely new mechanism as says "wow, this funny radiation that makes things glow in the dark might have some practical application". Instead, it's just a matter of VLSI digital radio circuitry finally reaching the point where we can utilise a very familiar part of the spectrum for high bandwidth data. Most of the anti-5G commentary is by uneducated Facebook moms "just asking questions" and "worried about their kids". If you want to reduce your personal risk from mobile phones, don't text and drive.
- NiceWayToDoIT 6y ago
  I hear you, but this is a type of thing that creates opinion division and additional paranoia. Sabina is physicist, and I do not know your credentials, I would need to conclude behind logic and little and no actual references you have provided. You may say, "you should do the research", but we do not time to research every little thing. So, I would go with a motion that for "5G we do not know". Why? I lived in a place where people believed, or had very serious fear from the draft (light indoor "wind") and that it causes all kind of illnesses. Then, around mid of my life, all kind of jokes were made on that subject. But, using logically I concluded despite jokes that there can be some issues, as in sedentary life, outside tissue if it gets cooled, blood vessels will shrink causing the poor supply of oxygen and nutrients, during a prolonged time that can cause some serious "buildup" and issues. Now, later on, that logic was confirmed by studies and western science. Jokes were still there, and older people still have (now) justifiable fear, but non of two groups knows about the study. It is not hard to say "I do not know", and you and I, we do not. Humans as a whole do not know much, we do not know does microwave with smallest quantities impact metabolic intake of let say vitamins, we do not know does some of the minerals has a resonant frequency that will prevent mineral being absorbed in the cells, we do not know it is there some kind of impact on skin cells or hair follicles, will any of the tissue behave as an antenna, we do not know much. Yes, it looks semi-logical that it is low-level energy and it can be stopped by a thin wall, but a wall is not live and does not care. Our bodies are complex mechanism, still, in 21st century we are trying do neurosurgery with stone-age axes. And each period of history, we do the same, when we do not know something, we use humans Guinea pigs, and when things go wrong, then we try to fix issues. Each time is on a larger scale and each time is a more serious issue. Asbestos, forever chemicals (PFAS, PFOS and PFOA), endocrine disruptors, oil industry, plastic, leaded petrol, chlorine in the water ... and always the same pattern, there is an excess of something, there is "bright" idea, big money of course, and always do before the study, because at that time we find it "necessary". So, we convince the public that it is necessary, and they must follow... And above all, dynamic of many human conversations is driven by "trying to be right" instead doing actual scientific study and action on facts. One thing I agree 100% texting and driving does kill.
  - jiggawatts 6y ago
    It's fine to ask questions, but the whole 5G thing is missing a fundamental understanding of the physical world that's difficult to put into words. I'll give it a go: Individual ignorance doesn't counter a century of established science. It's not a matter of authority, or lack of evidence, or insufficient testing. There's a real weight to certain fields now, where literally thousands of textbooks have been written on surprisingly narrow topics, because of an intense interest both theoretically and practically for industrial purposes. It's not even a matter of laboratory experiments. Sure, we haven't done a zillion tests specifically with 5G. That simply doesn't matter. Some things are effectively field tested millions of times over through simple everyday activity. We know gravity doesn't turn on and off randomly because we would notice! Even for subjects that our ordinary everyday experience doesn't cover, vast industrial experience does. Literally millions of workers do their work every day with chemicals, machines, and electronics. They know how they work! They depend on that knowledge being accurate! There simply cannot be such a thing as our knowledge of electromagnetic waves being this fundamentally flawed in the same manner as we cannot possibly have misunderstood chemistry to the point that we missed an element in between oxygen and nitrogen. I just did some random Googling and found stacks of complaints sent to governments demanding a lower maximum 5G power level. Here's one quote from a paper: "The extraordinary sensitivity of the VGCC voltage sensor to the forces of the EMFs tells us that the current safety guidelines allow us to be exposed to EMF levels that are something like 27.2 million times too high." [1] According to that guy's theory we're all already screwed, because the background radiation in all frequency bands has been waaaaaay higher than that since the 1950s! [2] All of that just doesn't matter though, because simple and well-established physics shows that for both 26 GHz and 60 GHz, the penetration depth is less than 0.5 mm into the skin[3], which means that at most the new 5G frequency bands could cause skin cancer. That hasn't stopped bloggers breathlessly repeating bad science where researchers take samples of cells from internal tissues and nuke them with high power RF sourcers for weeks on end in order to "demonstrate" the potential harm from radiofrequency radiation. PS: Sabine has an axe to grind and seems to be grandstanding an awful lot. Her videos are mostly pop-science and full of ads. She's not an authority on anything other than an extremely narrow field related to quantum gravity, and even there most physicists do not agree with her stance. [1] https://www.radiationresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/EU-EMF2018-6-11US3.pdf https://www.radiationresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06... [2] https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lanplh/PIIS2542-5196(18)30221-3.pdf https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lanplh/PIIS2542-5196... [3] https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1503/1503.05944.pdf https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1503/1503.05944.pdf

jiggawatts 6y ago

There have been studies, just not many. It's hard to get funding to study something where there isn't a theoretically plausible mechanism for damage, and where the few experiments to "double check" found nothing, as expected. Millimeter waves aren't "new" either. The "new" part is using mm waves for data. For decades now there have been tons of applications for mm wave radiation, and often at much higher power levels. All sorts of satellite communications, radar, etc... This isn't a situation where some scientist discovers an entirely new mechanism as says "wow, this funny radiation that makes things glow in the dark might have some practical application". Instead, it's just a matter of VLSI digital radio circuitry finally reaching the point where we can utilise a very familiar part of the spectrum for high bandwidth data. Most of the anti-5G commentary is by uneducated Facebook moms "just asking questions" and "worried about their kids". If you want to reduce your personal risk from mobile phones, don't text and drive.

NiceWayToDoIT 6y ago
I hear you, but this is a type of thing that creates opinion division and additional paranoia. Sabina is physicist, and I do not know your credentials, I would need to conclude behind logic and little and no actual references you have provided. You may say, "you should do the research", but we do not time to research every little thing. So, I would go with a motion that for "5G we do not know". Why? I lived in a place where people believed, or had very serious fear from the draft (light indoor "wind") and that it causes all kind of illnesses. Then, around mid of my life, all kind of jokes were made on that subject. But, using logically I concluded despite jokes that there can be some issues, as in sedentary life, outside tissue if it gets cooled, blood vessels will shrink causing the poor supply of oxygen and nutrients, during a prolonged time that can cause some serious "buildup" and issues. Now, later on, that logic was confirmed by studies and western science. Jokes were still there, and older people still have (now) justifiable fear, but non of two groups knows about the study. It is not hard to say "I do not know", and you and I, we do not. Humans as a whole do not know much, we do not know does microwave with smallest quantities impact metabolic intake of let say vitamins, we do not know does some of the minerals has a resonant frequency that will prevent mineral being absorbed in the cells, we do not know it is there some kind of impact on skin cells or hair follicles, will any of the tissue behave as an antenna, we do not know much. Yes, it looks semi-logical that it is low-level energy and it can be stopped by a thin wall, but a wall is not live and does not care. Our bodies are complex mechanism, still, in 21st century we are trying do neurosurgery with stone-age axes. And each period of history, we do the same, when we do not know something, we use humans Guinea pigs, and when things go wrong, then we try to fix issues. Each time is on a larger scale and each time is a more serious issue. Asbestos, forever chemicals (PFAS, PFOS and PFOA), endocrine disruptors, oil industry, plastic, leaded petrol, chlorine in the water ... and always the same pattern, there is an excess of something, there is "bright" idea, big money of course, and always do before the study, because at that time we find it "necessary". So, we convince the public that it is necessary, and they must follow... And above all, dynamic of many human conversations is driven by "trying to be right" instead doing actual scientific study and action on facts. One thing I agree 100% texting and driving does kill.
- jiggawatts 6y ago
  It's fine to ask questions, but the whole 5G thing is missing a fundamental understanding of the physical world that's difficult to put into words. I'll give it a go: Individual ignorance doesn't counter a century of established science. It's not a matter of authority, or lack of evidence, or insufficient testing. There's a real weight to certain fields now, where literally thousands of textbooks have been written on surprisingly narrow topics, because of an intense interest both theoretically and practically for industrial purposes. It's not even a matter of laboratory experiments. Sure, we haven't done a zillion tests specifically with 5G. That simply doesn't matter. Some things are effectively field tested millions of times over through simple everyday activity. We know gravity doesn't turn on and off randomly because we would notice! Even for subjects that our ordinary everyday experience doesn't cover, vast industrial experience does. Literally millions of workers do their work every day with chemicals, machines, and electronics. They know how they work! They depend on that knowledge being accurate! There simply cannot be such a thing as our knowledge of electromagnetic waves being this fundamentally flawed in the same manner as we cannot possibly have misunderstood chemistry to the point that we missed an element in between oxygen and nitrogen. I just did some random Googling and found stacks of complaints sent to governments demanding a lower maximum 5G power level. Here's one quote from a paper: "The extraordinary sensitivity of the VGCC voltage sensor to the forces of the EMFs tells us that the current safety guidelines allow us to be exposed to EMF levels that are something like 27.2 million times too high." [1] According to that guy's theory we're all already screwed, because the background radiation in all frequency bands has been waaaaaay higher than that since the 1950s! [2] All of that just doesn't matter though, because simple and well-established physics shows that for both 26 GHz and 60 GHz, the penetration depth is less than 0.5 mm into the skin[3], which means that at most the new 5G frequency bands could cause skin cancer. That hasn't stopped bloggers breathlessly repeating bad science where researchers take samples of cells from internal tissues and nuke them with high power RF sourcers for weeks on end in order to "demonstrate" the potential harm from radiofrequency radiation. PS: Sabine has an axe to grind and seems to be grandstanding an awful lot. Her videos are mostly pop-science and full of ads. She's not an authority on anything other than an extremely narrow field related to quantum gravity, and even there most physicists do not agree with her stance. [1] https://www.radiationresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/EU-EMF2018-6-11US3.pdf https://www.radiationresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06... [2] https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lanplh/PIIS2542-5196(18)30221-3.pdf https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lanplh/PIIS2542-5196... [3] https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1503/1503.05944.pdf https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1503/1503.05944.pdf