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I always wondered, so now’s the time to ask I guess, why aren’t these publicly accessible? Aren’t they paid for with government (i.e. public) money?
by dstick 6y ago
I always wondered, so now’s the time to ask I guess, why aren’t these publicly accessible? Aren’t they paid for with government (i.e. public) money?
- jcranmer 6y agoNot necessarily. I don't have access to the actual article itself, so I can't read the section of the article that indicates who funded the work. But several authors do list corporate affiliation (DuPont and Dow), not that that is itself proof of non-public funding.
- the_svd_doctor 6y agoEven when you get a government grant for research, sometimes there are open-access requirements for publications, but sometimes not. It varies. Paper directly written by government employees (like national labs) are usually accessible for free (like on https://www.osti.gov/ https://www.osti.gov/).
- ortusdux 6y agoWould it be possible to DPR these publications? I would assume that the funding agency retains a copy of the paper once published.
- swebs 6y ago>Paper directly written by government employees (like national labs) are usually accessible for free I'm pretty sure all of them are required to be in public domain
- Finnucane 6y agoSome legislation has been proposed in the US Congress to require access to research paid for with tax money (seems pretty reasonable), but so far I don't think it's been able to get past Dr. No.
- driverdan 6y agoRead the article. It says it was funded by DuPont.
- dstick 6y agoThat doesn’t answer my question without prior knowledge. Luckily others did manage to provide an insightful answer. > why aren’t these publicly accessible? And you say: it’s sponsored by Dupont. So let me rephrase the question incorporating the new bit of information you provided: Why would a paper be hidden behind a paywall if it’s sponsored by a commercial company? It would make sense if it was completely off limits. But paying a few hundred dollars (?) means it is still semi public. It’s no secret, but it’s not public either. Why?
- tetris11 6y agoTo prop up the journal, both financially and from an exclusivity angle. If the editors of the journal happen to be friends of DuPont, and the research is of actually that impactful, than a barrier to access might be beneificial
- jeroenhd 6y agoIt's only partially supported by public money, as far as I can tell. Perhaps the industrial sponsors don't want it to be open access? Luckily, the paper is accessible through SciHub it seems. From the paper: Funding: Financial support from The Dow Chemical Company and DuPont is acknowledged. T.E.C. and E.D.G. acknowledge financial support from the National Science Foundation under awards DMR-1609417 and DMR-1905550. K.P.B., A.L.Z., and E.D.G. also acknowledge support from the Center for Membrane Science, Engineering, and Technology (MAST) and the National Science Foundation under award IIP-1841474. M.K. acknowledges support from the National Science Foundation under award CBET-1946392. B.G. and B.K. are funded in part by the National Science Foundation under award CMMI-1906194. B.G. and B.K. also acknowledge computing support from XSEDE TG-CTS110007
- bee_rider 6y agoThe government probably doesn't care enough to bother setting up some sort of repository of papers. Also, there are some pretty prestigious journals out there. I'm sure there are academics who'd want a whole lot more money if the government asked them to stop publishing in the journals that their peers read.
- AnHonestComment 6y agoI’m not following the logic in your last paragraph. If every researcher who took public funds (even by proxy, from the university) was required to publish in an open access journal... it seems like enough research would shift that either prestigious journals would become open access or existing open access journals would become prestigious.
- asdff 6y agoI believe all publicly funded research is open access after a year. NIH at least.