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Thanks. I'm sure you're doing clear work, and being precisely truthful about clear topics My problem is news like: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-5

Thanks. I'm sure you're doing clear work, and being precisely truthful about clear topics My problem is news like: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55484436 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55484436 BBC saying 'restore the presidents rule' and 'unity cabinet', but this is the same president whose people said was a dictator and overthrew in the Arab spring Not following the situation closely, but those five Ws by the BBC look so very strongly in the pocket of arms money and having very little to do with democracy To the point I would say they are covered in blood, and calling it 'bringing peace.' I wish this was a lone example

iso1210 6y ago
I don't read that at all The paragraph referring to president: "Yemen has been devastated by a conflict that escalated in 2015, when a Saudi-led coalition of Arab states launched a military operation to defeat the Houthis and restore President Abdrabbuh Mansour Hadi's rule. " > Yemen has been devastated Objectively true > by a conflict There are many reasons but the conflict certainly hasn't helped > when a Saudi-led coalition of Arab states launched a military operation Is this wrong? There's a wikipedia page on it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian-led_intervention_in_Yemen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian-led_intervention... > to defeat the Houthis "the intervention initially consisted of a bombing campaign on Houthi rebels" > and restore President Abdrabbuh Mansour Hadi's rule. Looks like he has declared President of Yemen in 2012. There are many ruthless rulers who are called "President". "President Putin", "President Mugabe", etc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Yemen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Yemen Was this not the aim of the Saudi led coalition? The next paragraph, which is under the "analysis" part > Yemen's newly formed "unity cabinet" was always going to have a rocky start. But it clearly did not anticipate this disaster when it announced its arrival would be livestreamed on television. Is the new government that has been created known as a unity government? Seems yes, the piece further explains "Mr Saeed's new cabinet was formed in an effort to heal a long-running rift between Saudi-backed government forces and militias loyal to the separatist Southern Transitional Council, supported by the United Arab Emirates. The two sides are supposed to be allies in the civil war against the Houthi movement, which controls the capital Sanaa and much of north-western Yemen." Explaining the name "unity cabinet", it seems to be an effort to unify the non-houti sides. You may not think it's a legitimate government, but it seems to be the one recognised by the international community, whether we like it or not. We recognise all sorts of nasty governments, from Venezuala to North Korea, from Russia to Turkey. I don't see any judgement on which side is "good" or "bad" (or "bad" and "worse" as it may be). To summarise Who -- Houti Rebels What -- attacked an airport When -- Yesterday Where -- Aden Airport Why -- because they are fighting against the internationally recognised government The BBC has covered the conflict in Yemen a fair amount, here's a story about the background of the rebels. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31645145 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31645145
- tsegratis 6y ago
  > I don't read that at all You + article are completely correct. That is the problem. Since correctness lasts until the final 'why' Then inverses strongly How can locals be 'rebels' and the Saudi/UAE led forces be legitimate?? -- The last BBC link you placed was impressive and accurate. It ends > The Gulf states and the US appear intent upon denying Ansar Allah international recognition and supporting Mr Hadi's claim to leadership Gulf states are Sunni, Ansar + Houthi's are Shia. The 'unity' government the BBC refers to is 'unity' because it unites two fractious Sunni governments... Definitely not unity because it unites or represents the people of Yemen! The war is Sunni countries attacking a Shia people. This bombing is a response to that The Houthi 'rebels' have held the capital for years. Why are they able to do that in the face of Saudi led bombing campaign? Because they have the support of the people in that area Nuances yes. But government legitimacy here is I assure you based on how much Gulf states pay for arms, and BBC + ourselves whitewashing the why
  - iso1210 6y ago
    > government legitimacy here is I assure you based on how much Gulf states pay for arms The BBC isn't making any judgement here on who is right and who is wrong, and I think it's unfair to paint people like Lyse Doucet, Darren Conway, Marie Colvin, and other journalists who put their lives on the line to perform journalism in warzones, out as tools of the arms trade because they aren't biased in a way you want. The entire complaint seems to stem from the BBC using internationally recognised terms to describe the beligerants that the UN uses, and saying this is bias. If you have a complaint about the UN recognising Yemen as a single country represented by, take it up with your country's ambassador. If you don't think the UN is a legitimate organisation that's fine too, but don't pretend others are biased because they don't agree.
    - tsegratis 6y ago
      Thankyou my friend. I appreciate your reply I have lived in Yemen during part of the period of the war. I hope I am not denigrating those who do. That is always a great sacrifice on their part, and they should be honored. So thankyou for doing that and reminding me to the same But you haven't found bias. It is something that I wish I did not believe, but still do. It is something I didn't believe when told, and only sad experiences changed my mind Does the BBC have reports like this? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/18/the-saudis-couldnt-do-it-without-us-the-uks-true-role-in-yemens-deadly-war https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/18/the-saudis-cou... Sure bias and leanings are present everywhere. But bias is maybe the wrong word Doesn't Chinese news say that China is great, doesn't Russian news say that Russia is great? Should those people believe what they read? Of course there are differences, but WikiLeaks, Dutch in Congo, UK in Iran, etc, tell us we're good at being evil in the recent past Have we changed? In some part yes, I was happy to see this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wxeeGz5sVk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wxeeGz5sVk

iso1210 6y ago

I don't read that at all The paragraph referring to president: "Yemen has been devastated by a conflict that escalated in 2015, when a Saudi-led coalition of Arab states launched a military operation to defeat the Houthis and restore President Abdrabbuh Mansour Hadi's rule. " > Yemen has been devastated Objectively true > by a conflict There are many reasons but the conflict certainly hasn't helped > when a Saudi-led coalition of Arab states launched a military operation Is this wrong? There's a wikipedia page on it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian-led_intervention_in_Yemen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian-led_intervention... > to defeat the Houthis "the intervention initially consisted of a bombing campaign on Houthi rebels" > and restore President Abdrabbuh Mansour Hadi's rule. Looks like he has declared President of Yemen in 2012. There are many ruthless rulers who are called "President". "President Putin", "President Mugabe", etc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Yemen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Yemen Was this not the aim of the Saudi led coalition? The next paragraph, which is under the "analysis" part > Yemen's newly formed "unity cabinet" was always going to have a rocky start. But it clearly did not anticipate this disaster when it announced its arrival would be livestreamed on television. Is the new government that has been created known as a unity government? Seems yes, the piece further explains "Mr Saeed's new cabinet was formed in an effort to heal a long-running rift between Saudi-backed government forces and militias loyal to the separatist Southern Transitional Council, supported by the United Arab Emirates. The two sides are supposed to be allies in the civil war against the Houthi movement, which controls the capital Sanaa and much of north-western Yemen." Explaining the name "unity cabinet", it seems to be an effort to unify the non-houti sides. You may not think it's a legitimate government, but it seems to be the one recognised by the international community, whether we like it or not. We recognise all sorts of nasty governments, from Venezuala to North Korea, from Russia to Turkey. I don't see any judgement on which side is "good" or "bad" (or "bad" and "worse" as it may be). To summarise Who -- Houti Rebels What -- attacked an airport When -- Yesterday Where -- Aden Airport Why -- because they are fighting against the internationally recognised government The BBC has covered the conflict in Yemen a fair amount, here's a story about the background of the rebels. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31645145 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31645145

tsegratis 6y ago
> I don't read that at all You + article are completely correct. That is the problem. Since correctness lasts until the final 'why' Then inverses strongly How can locals be 'rebels' and the Saudi/UAE led forces be legitimate?? -- The last BBC link you placed was impressive and accurate. It ends > The Gulf states and the US appear intent upon denying Ansar Allah international recognition and supporting Mr Hadi's claim to leadership Gulf states are Sunni, Ansar + Houthi's are Shia. The 'unity' government the BBC refers to is 'unity' because it unites two fractious Sunni governments... Definitely not unity because it unites or represents the people of Yemen! The war is Sunni countries attacking a Shia people. This bombing is a response to that The Houthi 'rebels' have held the capital for years. Why are they able to do that in the face of Saudi led bombing campaign? Because they have the support of the people in that area Nuances yes. But government legitimacy here is I assure you based on how much Gulf states pay for arms, and BBC + ourselves whitewashing the why
- iso1210 6y ago
  > government legitimacy here is I assure you based on how much Gulf states pay for arms The BBC isn't making any judgement here on who is right and who is wrong, and I think it's unfair to paint people like Lyse Doucet, Darren Conway, Marie Colvin, and other journalists who put their lives on the line to perform journalism in warzones, out as tools of the arms trade because they aren't biased in a way you want. The entire complaint seems to stem from the BBC using internationally recognised terms to describe the beligerants that the UN uses, and saying this is bias. If you have a complaint about the UN recognising Yemen as a single country represented by, take it up with your country's ambassador. If you don't think the UN is a legitimate organisation that's fine too, but don't pretend others are biased because they don't agree.
  - tsegratis 6y ago
    Thankyou my friend. I appreciate your reply I have lived in Yemen during part of the period of the war. I hope I am not denigrating those who do. That is always a great sacrifice on their part, and they should be honored. So thankyou for doing that and reminding me to the same But you haven't found bias. It is something that I wish I did not believe, but still do. It is something I didn't believe when told, and only sad experiences changed my mind Does the BBC have reports like this? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/18/the-saudis-couldnt-do-it-without-us-the-uks-true-role-in-yemens-deadly-war https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/18/the-saudis-cou... Sure bias and leanings are present everywhere. But bias is maybe the wrong word Doesn't Chinese news say that China is great, doesn't Russian news say that Russia is great? Should those people believe what they read? Of course there are differences, but WikiLeaks, Dutch in Congo, UK in Iran, etc, tell us we're good at being evil in the recent past Have we changed? In some part yes, I was happy to see this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wxeeGz5sVk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wxeeGz5sVk