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So someone could publish a version of 1984 that had certain characters completely expunged from the text, and others added.
by waterhouse 6y ago
So someone could publish a version of 1984 that had certain characters completely expunged from the text, and others added.
- 5cotto 6y agoIronic considering Orwell plagiarized the plot of 1984 in the first place.
- rightbyte 6y agoPlagiarized of what by who?
- HarryHirsch 6y agoHe may be talking about the underrated Swastika Nights. A new world, after memory of the old one has been erased is part of the plot, as is a secret manuscript. That said, stories and plots have been retold ever since the beginning of literature. Here's a lovely article about various versions of the well-known story about the Baalshem being asked to intercede for a sick child: https://brill.com/view/journals/jjtp/22/2/article-p127_2.xml https://brill.com/view/journals/jjtp/22/2/article-p127_2.xml
- grzm 6y agoYevgeny Zamyatin's We. (1921) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_(novel) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_(novel)
- UncleSlacky 6y agoAlso Jack London's "The Iron Heel": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iron_Heel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iron_Heel
- jonny_eh 6y agoTaking inspiration isn't plagiarism
- Jon_Lowtek 6y agobooks of the same genre share motifs and themes
- Jon_Lowtek 6y agoH.G.Wells - The Sleeper Awakens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleeper_Awakes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleeper_Awakes
- maskedoffender 6y agoHe was inspired by C. S. Lewis' that hideous strength.
- lukifer 6y agoInteresting, I hadn't heard that, do we know that definitively? (THS was the only one of the Space Trilogy I never read, I should correct that.)
- zabzonk 6y agoOrwell reviewed That Hideous Strength and said it had some good points. But it's definitely the weakest in the trilogy, and definitely did not influence 1984 in any obvious way. Still worth reading, though.
- maskedoffender 6y agoIt's a very hard read. It took me several times to get into it.
- sideshowb 6y agoHaving read both I can't speak for where Orwell drew inspiration, but I never noticed any similarities
- karaterobot 6y agoI downvoted this, since it's a drive by insult without any kind of support provided.
- wrycoder 6y agoIf plot plagiarism was a crime or even morally reprehensible, half the books in my town library would have to be destroyed.
- TuringNYC 6y ago>> So someone could publish a version of 1984 that had certain characters completely expunged from the text, and others added. No real need to publish anything, we're living a variant of it every day. Without much creativity, we could map so many day-to-day things in 2020 to items in 1984.
- Jerrrry 6y agoWe are much closer the Brave New World than 1984.
- Jon_Lowtek 6y agoas can be seen by the caste system created due to abandoning natural birth in favor of genetically engineered babies being made at scale in factories.
- HarryHirsch 6y agoAre we? Where do we find characters like Mustapha Mond? Instead we got the likes of Bezos, Musk and Zuckerberg. No opinion about David Shaw and Jim Simons.
- albertkawmi 6y agoYour comment reminded me of this web comic comparison https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/biblioklept.org/2013/06/08/huxley-vs-orwell-the-webcomic-2/amp/ https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/biblioklept.org/2013/06/08/hu...
- majewsky 6y agoUngoogled link: https://biblioklept.org/2013/06/08/huxley-vs-orwell-the-webcomic-2/ https://biblioklept.org/2013/06/08/huxley-vs-orwell-the-webc...
- waterhouse 6y agoI've seen this a few times. I'll say what I said last time: If many people are substantially harmed by wasting their time and energy on distractions, then those who waste less time will outcompete them. Whether the mechanism is common wisdom analogous to "don't drink alone or before the evening", parents teaching their kids in certain ways, religions that consider much "wasteful" entertainment to be sinful, or genes that contribute to conditions perhaps resembling autism where colorful flashy video registers as annoying or even painful, the problem seems likely to create its own solutions. One of the premises of "Brave New World" is that all children are raised by the State, and are forcibly (a) oxygen-deprived in the womb to limit their intelligence and (b) subjected throughout childhood to indoctrination and hypnotherapy to make them say "I'm happy and content with my life, and my only desire is to chase consumer goods". I'm not sure why so many people seem to forget this.