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I think, at this point you either have to be insanely loyal or pretty clueless to still use PSN. Yet, Sony was saying yesterday that only a small percentage of

by Jun8 15y ago

I think, at this point you either have to be insanely loyal or pretty clueless to still use PSN. Yet, Sony was saying yesterday that only a small percentage of users are deleting their accounts. What gives?

kmfrk 15y ago
I can't speak of the psychological reasons, but I am not surprised at all. Recall the brouhaha when Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 would not come with dedicated servers in the PC version: http://i.imgur.com/9wKiV.jpg http://i.imgur.com/9wKiV.jpg
- albedoa 15y ago
  Also recall the difference in tone between these forums and the PSN forums when Geohot was under attack by Sony. Some people simply do not understand the consequences of what has happened and only care about playing their games again.
slmbrhrt 15y ago
I think a lot of the inertia is due to the fear that deleting an account could invalidate your purchases with that account. I've bought a few games and DLC packs myself--there's a lot of content I own* that I'd suddenly lose out on. It may be chump change, but I'm not about to walk away from money I've spent in good faith. I think at this point if Sony would give us a cut-and-run solution to let us kill our accounts but keep our purchases--they won't--we'd see a surge in account deletions, especially after today's news. Probably worth mentioning that I don't play many online games, so most of the time when I sign on it's to buy single-player content.
- wccrawford 15y ago
  Exactly right. If you delete your account, all your purchases disappear. For some of us, that's hundreds of dollars. I won't ever hand Sony a credit card again, and I'm limiting my purchases to exclusives... And even then, I'll think long and hard before I give them the money for those.
  - windsurfer 15y ago
    It sounds so strange to say that your "purchases dissapear". It's as if Sony steals them from you. Not that I'm saying they are stealing it, it just sounds surreal.
    - slmbrhrt 15y ago
      That's why I spelled it 'own*'.
    - wccrawford 15y ago
      If it weren't my own action causing it, it would be exactly like Sony stealing them.
simias 15y ago
I own a PS3, I definitely won't delete my PSN account yet. All there is to steal is already stolen, I'm going to remove my credit card info from my account (if that's even possible...) and make sure never to buy anything from sony ever again (on the psn or elsewhere). But I already paid for the console, so I won't punish myself by banning myself for online play.
devinfoley 15y ago
I couldn't figure out how to delete my account from the PSN website. I don't own a PS3 anymore but I still have an account, which is a bummer.
CrazedGeek 15y ago
From an informal survey amongst my friends, most of us really don't care. We give dozens of companies this information, and there's kind of an understanding that there's a decent chance of hacking/disgruntled employee rage/what have you at any company. Shit happens.
- Xurinos 15y ago
  I am in this camp, as stated in the other HN thread on today's front page: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2560599 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2560599 Yes, Sony has bad security. Yes, some kid hacked and released his hack to the public, and Sony had that reaction coming what with the linux shenanigans. But I just want to play online games. I do not care that much who is at fault, right, wrong, whatever; everyone has their little crusade. Just let me play with what I paid for. Q. Who actually stopped me from being able to do that? Who interfered with my fun time? A. The thieves and the people ruining games with hacks outside of sandboxes with friends. I blame the ones who shot the gun.
  - chopsueyar 15y ago
    Xbox Live is still working.
CodeMage 15y ago
Here's what gives: 1) The only really valuable information [1] you have on PSN is your credit card information. 2) While Sony said that the credit card information might have been stolen too, so far it appears that it hasn't been compromised. 3) The primary use most people have for PSN is playing games online with other people. Security isn't such a big deal there. [2] 4) Those who purchase games and DLC using PlayStation Store can always choose not to use their credit card for that. Bottom line? As long as the user's credit card info isn't compromised, he or she will probably care about their PSN security as much as, for example, having their Goodreads account hacked: it would be an annoyance, but not the end of the world. [1] Trophies and stuff like that have their own value, but most people value their money a lot more than their PSN trophies. [2] Again, it's not a big deal compared to, for example, having your wallet stolen.

by Jun8 15y ago

kmfrk 15y ago

I can't speak of the psychological reasons, but I am not surprised at all. Recall the brouhaha when Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 would not come with dedicated servers in the PC version: http://i.imgur.com/9wKiV.jpg http://i.imgur.com/9wKiV.jpg

albedoa 15y ago
Also recall the difference in tone between these forums and the PSN forums when Geohot was under attack by Sony. Some people simply do not understand the consequences of what has happened and only care about playing their games again.

slmbrhrt 15y ago

I think a lot of the inertia is due to the fear that deleting an account could invalidate your purchases with that account. I've bought a few games and DLC packs myself--there's a lot of content I own* that I'd suddenly lose out on. It may be chump change, but I'm not about to walk away from money I've spent in good faith. I think at this point if Sony would give us a cut-and-run solution to let us kill our accounts but keep our purchases--they won't--we'd see a surge in account deletions, especially after today's news. Probably worth mentioning that I don't play many online games, so most of the time when I sign on it's to buy single-player content.

wccrawford 15y ago
Exactly right. If you delete your account, all your purchases disappear. For some of us, that's hundreds of dollars. I won't ever hand Sony a credit card again, and I'm limiting my purchases to exclusives... And even then, I'll think long and hard before I give them the money for those.
- windsurfer 15y ago
  It sounds so strange to say that your "purchases dissapear". It's as if Sony steals them from you. Not that I'm saying they are stealing it, it just sounds surreal.
  - slmbrhrt 15y ago
    That's why I spelled it 'own*'.
  - wccrawford 15y ago
    If it weren't my own action causing it, it would be exactly like Sony stealing them.

simias 15y ago

I own a PS3, I definitely won't delete my PSN account yet. All there is to steal is already stolen, I'm going to remove my credit card info from my account (if that's even possible...) and make sure never to buy anything from sony ever again (on the psn or elsewhere). But I already paid for the console, so I won't punish myself by banning myself for online play.

devinfoley 15y ago

I couldn't figure out how to delete my account from the PSN website. I don't own a PS3 anymore but I still have an account, which is a bummer.

CrazedGeek 15y ago

From an informal survey amongst my friends, most of us really don't care. We give dozens of companies this information, and there's kind of an understanding that there's a decent chance of hacking/disgruntled employee rage/what have you at any company. Shit happens.

Xurinos 15y ago
I am in this camp, as stated in the other HN thread on today's front page: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2560599 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2560599 Yes, Sony has bad security. Yes, some kid hacked and released his hack to the public, and Sony had that reaction coming what with the linux shenanigans. But I just want to play online games. I do not care that much who is at fault, right, wrong, whatever; everyone has their little crusade. Just let me play with what I paid for. Q. Who actually stopped me from being able to do that? Who interfered with my fun time? A. The thieves and the people ruining games with hacks outside of sandboxes with friends. I blame the ones who shot the gun.
- chopsueyar 15y ago
  Xbox Live is still working.

CodeMage 15y ago

Here's what gives: 1) The only really valuable information [1] you have on PSN is your credit card information. 2) While Sony said that the credit card information might have been stolen too, so far it appears that it hasn't been compromised. 3) The primary use most people have for PSN is playing games online with other people. Security isn't such a big deal there. [2] 4) Those who purchase games and DLC using PlayStation Store can always choose not to use their credit card for that. Bottom line? As long as the user's credit card info isn't compromised, he or she will probably care about their PSN security as much as, for example, having their Goodreads account hacked: it would be an annoyance, but not the end of the world. [1] Trophies and stuff like that have their own value, but most people value their money a lot more than their PSN trophies. [2] Again, it's not a big deal compared to, for example, having your wallet stolen.