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2nm tech, and not only just the tech, but the whole fab for it in two-three years? that how eu is spending 145 billions while allocating 1bn to fighting covid?

scotty79 6y ago
I don't mind that at all. Covid requres just one vaccine and a bit of time and disrupts mostly businesses that produce just human powered entertainment (and health services which is the worst thing about it). While making the whole new generation of most important machines and landing beyond current cutting edge seem like both pricey and worthwhile endeavor.
- LoSboccacc 6y ago
  bold to assume any new generation machine will come out of this, meanwhile real business that produced real wealth are closing down.
  - scotty79 6y ago
    > real business that produced real wealth are closing down. Could you please share some examples? I'm genuinely curious.
  - zhdc1 6y ago
    Why? Europe already produces EUV lithography machines, and while I'm not that familiar with the field, I'm pretty sure ASML and TSMC are already working on 2nm lithography.
    - LoSboccacc 6y ago
      TSMC is aiming at 2024 for 2nm, they're the market leader and they reportedly started research back in 2019 https://wccftech.com/tsmc-2nm-research-taiwan/ https://wccftech.com/tsmc-2nm-research-taiwan/ https://wccftech.com/ssmc-mass-produce-2nm-2024/ https://wccftech.com/ssmc-mass-produce-2nm-2024/ now a consortium of runner ups not only hopes to catch up, but plans a parallel release of a new node size, while starting later, while starting with less know how.
      - zhdc1 6y ago
        TSMC purchases their lithography machines from ASML. https://semiengineering.com/euv-challenges-and-unknowns-at-3nm-and-below/ https://semiengineering.com/euv-challenges-and-unknowns-at-3...
visarga 6y ago
> allocating 1bn to fighting covid No sure what you mean here. Seems like the EU recovery package is €1,824B. Also, in Sept and Oct they allocated €87.9B in financial support.
- LoSboccacc 6y ago
  the SURE are bonds, not grants, idk why are you putting these on the table, from the tax payer pov bonds are just temporary transfers, it's the grants that will 'disappear'

scotty79 6y ago

I don't mind that at all. Covid requres just one vaccine and a bit of time and disrupts mostly businesses that produce just human powered entertainment (and health services which is the worst thing about it). While making the whole new generation of most important machines and landing beyond current cutting edge seem like both pricey and worthwhile endeavor.

LoSboccacc 6y ago
bold to assume any new generation machine will come out of this, meanwhile real business that produced real wealth are closing down.
- scotty79 6y ago
  > real business that produced real wealth are closing down. Could you please share some examples? I'm genuinely curious.
- zhdc1 6y ago
  Why? Europe already produces EUV lithography machines, and while I'm not that familiar with the field, I'm pretty sure ASML and TSMC are already working on 2nm lithography.
  - LoSboccacc 6y ago
    TSMC is aiming at 2024 for 2nm, they're the market leader and they reportedly started research back in 2019 https://wccftech.com/tsmc-2nm-research-taiwan/ https://wccftech.com/tsmc-2nm-research-taiwan/ https://wccftech.com/ssmc-mass-produce-2nm-2024/ https://wccftech.com/ssmc-mass-produce-2nm-2024/ now a consortium of runner ups not only hopes to catch up, but plans a parallel release of a new node size, while starting later, while starting with less know how.
    - zhdc1 6y ago
      TSMC purchases their lithography machines from ASML. https://semiengineering.com/euv-challenges-and-unknowns-at-3nm-and-below/ https://semiengineering.com/euv-challenges-and-unknowns-at-3...

visarga 6y ago

> allocating 1bn to fighting covid No sure what you mean here. Seems like the EU recovery package is €1,824B. Also, in Sept and Oct they allocated €87.9B in financial support.

LoSboccacc 6y ago
the SURE are bonds, not grants, idk why are you putting these on the table, from the tax payer pov bonds are just temporary transfers, it's the grants that will 'disappear'