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What would be nice is if these government jobs had training. The military can take someone from the street and make them a specialist in something. If USDS coul

What would be nice is if these government jobs had training. The military can take someone from the street and make them a specialist in something. If USDS could take someone and make them into what they needed, the lower salary might be better justified.

ajcp 6y ago
I could not agree more. If the USG wants to provide competent digital services to it's customer/shareholder then it might make more sense to get rid of the Digital Service in the WH and rather expand and go all in on 18F, where it provides a whole career progression from basic training on up through SES. I feel the absence of job training upon hiring is also why there is no concept of "company men" after the Boomer Generation; companies stopped investing in the employees they wanted and started treating them like pre-packaged commodity.
- randmeerkat 6y ago
  I didn’t realize 18F has a training program. That’s awesome. I agree with your frustrations about training in general too. I wish companies provided that _and_ provided real career progression goals. Instead it’s learn the tech for your job after work and some vague one page sheet from HR about what the next level is, which really comes down to a manager’s opinion more than anything really measurable.
- randmeerkat 6y ago
  Are you sure 18F offers whole career progression? I looked at their website and they only seem to be hiring GS15. I don’t see any mention about training. https://join.tts.gsa.gov/ https://join.tts.gsa.gov/
  - ajcp 6y ago
    I'm sorry, the wording of my comment might be confusing. > go all in on 18F, where it provides a whole career progression from basic training on up through SES. should read "go all in on 18F so that it can provide a whole career progression from basic training on up through SES." You're correct, as far as I'm aware 18F, or any other government org that isn't the US military, does not offer actual training.

ajcp 6y ago

I could not agree more. If the USG wants to provide competent digital services to it's customer/shareholder then it might make more sense to get rid of the Digital Service in the WH and rather expand and go all in on 18F, where it provides a whole career progression from basic training on up through SES. I feel the absence of job training upon hiring is also why there is no concept of "company men" after the Boomer Generation; companies stopped investing in the employees they wanted and started treating them like pre-packaged commodity.

randmeerkat 6y ago
I didn’t realize 18F has a training program. That’s awesome. I agree with your frustrations about training in general too. I wish companies provided that _and_ provided real career progression goals. Instead it’s learn the tech for your job after work and some vague one page sheet from HR about what the next level is, which really comes down to a manager’s opinion more than anything really measurable.
randmeerkat 6y ago
Are you sure 18F offers whole career progression? I looked at their website and they only seem to be hiring GS15. I don’t see any mention about training. https://join.tts.gsa.gov/ https://join.tts.gsa.gov/
- ajcp 6y ago
  I'm sorry, the wording of my comment might be confusing. > go all in on 18F, where it provides a whole career progression from basic training on up through SES. should read "go all in on 18F so that it can provide a whole career progression from basic training on up through SES." You're correct, as far as I'm aware 18F, or any other government org that isn't the US military, does not offer actual training.