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Not as good as we had before. It’s the only trade deal negotiated with the explicitly stated intention of having fewer benefits than before.
by spzb 6y ago
Not as good as we had before. It’s the only trade deal negotiated with the explicitly stated intention of having fewer benefits than before.
- tpmx 6y agoYou got access to the EU's internal market without tariffs (except for financial services). The EU key people stated for a very long time - access to the internal EU market cannot be decoupled from the free movement of people. But still, you won that. All because you gave access to french fishers to some fishing waters. I think this bribe to one of the EU partners has been the key impetus for a lot of renewed EU resistance in Sweden. As an example: After reading the terms of the deal, lots of Swedes in r/svenskpolitik ("swedish politics") actually wanted the same exit deal. I kind of agree.
- spzb 6y agoWhich is less than we had before. Also we now have non tariff barriers including a load more red tape bureaucracy even when sending things from one part of the U.K. to another thanks to the Irish Sea border
- tpmx 6y agoYou also have less obligations. Whilst still having access to the EU internal market.
- spzb 6y agoAnd fewer benefits. No longer can I travel, work and study freely anywhere in the EU.
- tpmx 6y ago> No longer can I travel [...] Yes you can. (Well, at least after covid-19 is over.)
- spzb 6y agoDon’t selectively quote. I said travel freely. We will need visas if we spend more than 90 days out of 180 in the EU
- dingaling 6y ago> We will need visas if we spend more than 90 days out of 180 in the EU That's been the case since 2014, nothing to do with Brexit. Before Brexit: "From 9 June 2014, all British Overseas Territories citizens (BOTCs), British Overseas citizens (BOCs), British Protected Persons (BPPs), and British Subjects (BS) will be allowed to travel visa free to the EU Schengen Area for a maximum of 90 days." After Brexit: "If you’re a tourist, you do not need a visa for short trips to most EU countries, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland. You’ll be able to stay for up to 90 days in any 180-day period."
- zonefuenf 6y agoAll the passport categories you quoted (BOTC, BOC, BPP, BS) relate to former colonies (think the status given to inhabitants of Hong Kong after it was turned over to China). UK citizens could move around the EU freely.
- tormeh 6y agoThis deal is available to most countries. That's the whole Canada deal thingie. Tariffs are usually pretty low anyway in today's world, and not a huge burden. What's unique about the internal market is the absence of paperwork. Regulatory harmonization and recognition of each other's authorities massively simplifies trade. No customs, no immigration, you load stuff on a truck, drive it to where the buyer is, and that's it.
- tpmx 6y agoYou can do the Norway thing: Just rubberstamp every EU legislation about stuff.