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I get it that you want to fight for Firefox. I really do. It's just that my fight is somehow for it and largely for the entirety of the internet. > What makes

I get it that you want to fight for Firefox. I really do. It's just that my fight is somehow for it and largely for the entirety of the internet. > What makes you assume anything would different if Firefox dies? At the very least we would be free from the clutches of Mozilla and it's gross incompetence. Chromium & Firefox browsers have been forked plenty times by different developers/corps for different reasons. The internet battle won't be won by a fork. The most famous of forks being Microsoft Edge, another evil player. Which is surprising close to surpassing FF btw [0] It's so bad even Safari is ahead of Firefox on the desktop market share. As for funding Firefox, they can and should be actively pro-donation. I would be willing to pitch in even if it made a slight difference. Pocket & VPN should be marketed and developed upon. Am sure there's more the mother entity can come up with to add to its revenues. These alternative projects should be pursued using an R&D budget from its revenue. Firefox is still a large enough player in the browser game, its search engine default is a gold mine commanding hundreds of millions from top investors. If they fire their top dollar guzzling CEO [1] and continue to trim down on non-essentials, I don't see any reason why Firefox couldn't get back on track to its former glory. [0] https://kinsta.com/browser-market-share/ https://kinsta.com/browser-market-share/ [1] https://itdm.com/mozilla-firefox-usage-down-85-but-why-are-execs-salary-up-400/2050/ https://itdm.com/mozilla-firefox-usage-down-85-but-why-are-e...

zepto 6y ago
I agree forks haven’t been successful, but I still don’t understand how we’d be free from the ‘clutches of Mozilla’ if Firefox died. I don’t see Google funding anyone else at this point. If the battle won’t be won by a fork are you suggesting someone build a clean room browser? If so, who is going to fund it?
- freebuju 6y ago
  Simple Firefox dies Mozilla does too. I mean this doesn't require any explanation. The point of trying out new products like VPN, relays SHOULD be to find alternative funding for Firefox's development. Also what makes you think it is only Google who can fund Firefox? This is a pretty shallow (and lazy) reasoning, pardon my language. I'm suggesting we disband Mozilla as it is the core problem with Firefox. Clean browser from scratch or not, we need a chromium alternative. Direct question that cannot be answered at one go. Though I sure do know I don't want Google directly involved with the funds to the browser engine alternative. This poses the biggest threat to internet freedom and privacy in general.
  - zepto 6y ago
    “Also what makes you think it is only Google who can fund Firefox? This is a pretty shallow (and lazy) reasoning, pardon my language.” Setting the insult aside - this is the basic question I’ve been asking you. Who do you think is going to fund the alternative, and why does Mozilla have to die before that can happen?
    - freebuju 6y ago
      Dude. I've tried to point you to the answers of all your questions. Is it that you can't stand any FF/Mozilla criticism or you deliberately want to ignore the suggestions I've put across towards answering some of your questions? Glad to see you can put emotions aside in your arguments though. Above remark on Google's funding wasn't meant to be an insult.
      - zepto 6y ago
        I have no special love for Mozilla, and I’d love for there to be a true alternative. I don’t see any answer to the question of how an alternative browser would be funded in what you have said, only your statement about it being lazy to think that only Google could fund them. Maintaining a browser is expensive. I think if Mozilla dies, either another major sponsor would be needed or we’ll just end up with the web becoming even more Google’s platform. In the absence of an answer to who pays for the development, I don’t see how a new browser will emerge. Killing Mozilla doesn’t create funding for a new browser. Why I have continued to ask you this question, is because you seem to be convinced that an alternative would arise if Mozilla died. This leads me to think that you must be aware of someone who would be motivated to pay for it. Perhaps I’m wrong about this, and you just hope someone steps forward to pay for it.

zepto 6y ago

I agree forks haven’t been successful, but I still don’t understand how we’d be free from the ‘clutches of Mozilla’ if Firefox died. I don’t see Google funding anyone else at this point. If the battle won’t be won by a fork are you suggesting someone build a clean room browser? If so, who is going to fund it?

freebuju 6y ago
Simple Firefox dies Mozilla does too. I mean this doesn't require any explanation. The point of trying out new products like VPN, relays SHOULD be to find alternative funding for Firefox's development. Also what makes you think it is only Google who can fund Firefox? This is a pretty shallow (and lazy) reasoning, pardon my language. I'm suggesting we disband Mozilla as it is the core problem with Firefox. Clean browser from scratch or not, we need a chromium alternative. Direct question that cannot be answered at one go. Though I sure do know I don't want Google directly involved with the funds to the browser engine alternative. This poses the biggest threat to internet freedom and privacy in general.
- zepto 6y ago
  “Also what makes you think it is only Google who can fund Firefox? This is a pretty shallow (and lazy) reasoning, pardon my language.” Setting the insult aside - this is the basic question I’ve been asking you. Who do you think is going to fund the alternative, and why does Mozilla have to die before that can happen?
  - freebuju 6y ago
    Dude. I've tried to point you to the answers of all your questions. Is it that you can't stand any FF/Mozilla criticism or you deliberately want to ignore the suggestions I've put across towards answering some of your questions? Glad to see you can put emotions aside in your arguments though. Above remark on Google's funding wasn't meant to be an insult.
    - zepto 6y ago
      I have no special love for Mozilla, and I’d love for there to be a true alternative. I don’t see any answer to the question of how an alternative browser would be funded in what you have said, only your statement about it being lazy to think that only Google could fund them. Maintaining a browser is expensive. I think if Mozilla dies, either another major sponsor would be needed or we’ll just end up with the web becoming even more Google’s platform. In the absence of an answer to who pays for the development, I don’t see how a new browser will emerge. Killing Mozilla doesn’t create funding for a new browser. Why I have continued to ask you this question, is because you seem to be convinced that an alternative would arise if Mozilla died. This leads me to think that you must be aware of someone who would be motivated to pay for it. Perhaps I’m wrong about this, and you just hope someone steps forward to pay for it.