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>I expect women and POC will get looked upon less favorably if they set stronger boundaries than white men will. I worked with a POC who the CEO told me point

by daenz 6y ago

>I expect women and POC will get looked upon less favorably if they set stronger boundaries than white men will. I worked with a POC who the CEO told me point blank to give them extra leniency with regards to them not performing their duties (an ongoing complaint of mine) because a "diverse face" on the pitch deck helped us raise money.

UShouldBWorking 6y ago
THIS is the reality. The cult of victimization has run amuck in the west to the point where you are not doing your job if you're not claiming to be a victim. As if women really need to work harder to get the same job as a man today, what a load of shit.
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peteridah 6y ago
As a POC, I find this comment and line of thinking demeaning, and out of touch with the reality we face daily.
- User23 6y ago
  GP is just relaying his lived experience and not making a general judgment. Your response comes off as extremely fragile.
  - hilbertseries 6y ago
    It’s okay for the commenter to use an anecdote to undercut the discrimination POC frequently face. But a POC calling this out is “extremely fragile”.
    - daenz 6y ago
      I have more personal experiences like that, with different people, at different companies. I want people to know that these things happen behind the scenes, and they likely aren't aware of them. The only want to hear about experiences where the game is rigged against them, but never scenarios where it is rigged for them. But people should know that it happens both ways.
- daenz 6y ago
  I'm not demeaning anybody. Apparently I'm never allowed to tell these stories because it's never appropriate at any time, ever. But they're real and they happen, and I have more. That is also a reality, but people don't want to hear it. My underlying point was that it's too broad to say that you'll be negatively discriminated against for setting strict boundaries. Some (more progressive) places will let you get away with more based on your ethnicity or gender.
tthhrroowwaway 6y ago
> I worked with a POC who the CEO told me point blank to give them extra leniency with regards to them not performing their duties (an ongoing complaint of mine) because a "diverse face" on the pitch deck helped us raise money. So, it sounds like the CEO is using this person of color in order to earn a certain credibility and get more money from investors. And, maybe this person of color is either, a) working hard, but not very experienced yet/able to complete their tasks. Or, they are wrongfully neglecting their duties/have no interest in doing their job. Or, some other nuanced situation, I don't know. You believe they are benefiting though. But either way, exactly what is your point? To be honest, reading this, it seems like you are biased against people of color, and you view this situation as evidence that all people of color do not work hard/are given unfair advantages in life, and therefore, your bias is warranted. In other words, you appear to believe in a common racist trope. To you, it is true, based on this story. Or, you are not biased against people of color, and simply think it unfair that this person, regardless of their ethnicity, is being given a free pass on not doing their work. If the latter, isn't your CEO partly in the wrong here? They are capitalizing on the identity of this person of color, which shouldn't matter, by your logic.
- daenz 6y ago
  > it seems like you are biased against people of color, and you view this situation as evidence that all people of color do not work hard/are given unfair advantages in life, and therefore, your bias is warranted. In other words, you appear to believe in a common racist trope. You judged me guilty of all of that because I provided an anecdote that some companies bias positively (not always negatively) towards people based on their race and/or gender? Do you expect me to respond and defend myself against each accusation? Because you don't have the right to pressure that from me, especially as an anonymous throwaway account.
  - tthhrroowwaway 6y ago
    You believe these companies "bias positively". Which may or may not be true. What do you think this anecdote means? What do you think about this situation? I think that you want people to draw a conclusion from this story.

by daenz 6y ago

UShouldBWorking 6y ago

THIS is the reality. The cult of victimization has run amuck in the west to the point where you are not doing your job if you're not claiming to be a victim. As if women really need to work harder to get the same job as a man today, what a load of shit.

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peteridah 6y ago

As a POC, I find this comment and line of thinking demeaning, and out of touch with the reality we face daily.

User23 6y ago
GP is just relaying his lived experience and not making a general judgment. Your response comes off as extremely fragile.
- hilbertseries 6y ago
  It’s okay for the commenter to use an anecdote to undercut the discrimination POC frequently face. But a POC calling this out is “extremely fragile”.
  - daenz 6y ago
    I have more personal experiences like that, with different people, at different companies. I want people to know that these things happen behind the scenes, and they likely aren't aware of them. The only want to hear about experiences where the game is rigged against them, but never scenarios where it is rigged for them. But people should know that it happens both ways.
daenz 6y ago
I'm not demeaning anybody. Apparently I'm never allowed to tell these stories because it's never appropriate at any time, ever. But they're real and they happen, and I have more. That is also a reality, but people don't want to hear it. My underlying point was that it's too broad to say that you'll be negatively discriminated against for setting strict boundaries. Some (more progressive) places will let you get away with more based on your ethnicity or gender.

tthhrroowwaway 6y ago

> I worked with a POC who the CEO told me point blank to give them extra leniency with regards to them not performing their duties (an ongoing complaint of mine) because a "diverse face" on the pitch deck helped us raise money. So, it sounds like the CEO is using this person of color in order to earn a certain credibility and get more money from investors. And, maybe this person of color is either, a) working hard, but not very experienced yet/able to complete their tasks. Or, they are wrongfully neglecting their duties/have no interest in doing their job. Or, some other nuanced situation, I don't know. You believe they are benefiting though. But either way, exactly what is your point? To be honest, reading this, it seems like you are biased against people of color, and you view this situation as evidence that all people of color do not work hard/are given unfair advantages in life, and therefore, your bias is warranted. In other words, you appear to believe in a common racist trope. To you, it is true, based on this story. Or, you are not biased against people of color, and simply think it unfair that this person, regardless of their ethnicity, is being given a free pass on not doing their work. If the latter, isn't your CEO partly in the wrong here? They are capitalizing on the identity of this person of color, which shouldn't matter, by your logic.

daenz 6y ago
> it seems like you are biased against people of color, and you view this situation as evidence that all people of color do not work hard/are given unfair advantages in life, and therefore, your bias is warranted. In other words, you appear to believe in a common racist trope. You judged me guilty of all of that because I provided an anecdote that some companies bias positively (not always negatively) towards people based on their race and/or gender? Do you expect me to respond and defend myself against each accusation? Because you don't have the right to pressure that from me, especially as an anonymous throwaway account.
- tthhrroowwaway 6y ago
  You believe these companies "bias positively". Which may or may not be true. What do you think this anecdote means? What do you think about this situation? I think that you want people to draw a conclusion from this story.