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It's not just the intelligence agencies. Gallup polling shows liberals' trust in the media skyrocketed after Trump's election and has remained persistently high

It's not just the intelligence agencies. Gallup polling shows liberals' trust in the media skyrocketed after Trump's election and has remained persistently high despite the whole Russiagate farce.

triceratops 6y ago
> Russiagate farce You mean when the DoJ indicted, charged, or successfully prosecuted a number of Russian nationals and members of the Trump administration for election-related crimes or obstruction of justice? That farce? Like someone said, "For a purported witchhunt, they sure found a lot of actual witches."
- AndrewBissell 6y ago
  If all that was on offer from the beginning was taking out a few lackeys like Manafort and Stone obviously it wouldn't have captured liberals' attention the way it did. They were expecting a big break of evidence that Trump was a Manchurian candidate installed by the master Svengali Putin. It was a classic psychological deflection tactic on liberals' part, "Trump's election can't be a symptom of any real institutional rot in America, it's just a result of dirty foreign tricks that will be exposed and easily rectified by removing Trump." Even the New Yorker was finally forced to admit "maybe we went too far with this." https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/09/14/is-russian-meddling-as-dangerous-as-we-think https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/09/14/is-russian-med...
  - triceratops 6y ago
    > They were expecting a big break of evidence that Trump was a Manchurian candidate installed by the master Svengali Putin "It couldn't be proved to be bad as some people said" is not the same thing as "farce". The stuff that was proven was bad and illegal. The Mueller report concluded that there was some evidence of coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia.[1] The investigation achieved multiple convictions and indictments. > "Trump's election can't be a symptom of any real institutional rot in America, it's just a result of dirty foreign tricks that will be exposed and easily rectified by removing Trump. It's not an either-or. Trump was only ever a competitive candidate due to real, deep problems and widespread disillusionment with the establishment. But it's also possible that Russian social media campaigns, the DNC email hacks, and the Comey letter tipped the scales (80k votes in 3 states) in his favor in 2016. We'll never really know. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report#Redacted_report_findings_compared_to_Barr_letter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report#Redacted_report...
- jokethrowaway 6y ago
  As an outsider I don't follow much USA politics, so apologies if I got the gist wrong and I'd appreciate corrections. For my bias, I mainly read left wing publications, listen to right wing YouTubers and I'm an anarcho-capitalist. The claim sold by the media was that Russia "hacked" the elections, making Trump win. (that was before this year's message that election meddling is highly unlikely) What was found out was contact with Russia to dig dirt on Trump's opponents. Sure, it may be illegal, but that's hardly interesting.
  - maxerickson 6y ago
    There were not mainstream US media claims that the Russians hacked the 2016 elections. On the other hand, there were lots of stories about Russian influence operations.
    - ed25519FUUU 6y ago
      Did you watch basically any cable news in 2016? They literally started the Russian collusion special counsel investigations from allegations Russia hacked the DNC and released the emails to help Trump. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-the-russians-hacked-the-dnc-and-passed-its-emails-to-wikileaks/2018/07/13/af19a828-86c3-11e8-8553-a3ce89036c78_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-t...
      - maxerickson 6y ago
        The phrase 'Russia "hacked" the elections, making Trump win' implies tampering with the voting and vote counting. You've linked an influence operation that may have involved computer hacking. It's also, you know, pretty clear that Russia was running influence operations, not a media delusion.
        AnthonyMouse 6y ago
        https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1344319775464415239 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1344319775464415239

It's not just the intelligence agencies. Gallup polling shows liberals' trust in the media skyrocketed after Trump's election and has remained persistently high despite the whole Russiagate farce.

triceratops 6y ago

> Russiagate farce You mean when the DoJ indicted, charged, or successfully prosecuted a number of Russian nationals and members of the Trump administration for election-related crimes or obstruction of justice? That farce? Like someone said, "For a purported witchhunt, they sure found a lot of actual witches."

AndrewBissell 6y ago
If all that was on offer from the beginning was taking out a few lackeys like Manafort and Stone obviously it wouldn't have captured liberals' attention the way it did. They were expecting a big break of evidence that Trump was a Manchurian candidate installed by the master Svengali Putin. It was a classic psychological deflection tactic on liberals' part, "Trump's election can't be a symptom of any real institutional rot in America, it's just a result of dirty foreign tricks that will be exposed and easily rectified by removing Trump." Even the New Yorker was finally forced to admit "maybe we went too far with this." https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/09/14/is-russian-meddling-as-dangerous-as-we-think https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/09/14/is-russian-med...
- triceratops 6y ago
  > They were expecting a big break of evidence that Trump was a Manchurian candidate installed by the master Svengali Putin "It couldn't be proved to be bad as some people said" is not the same thing as "farce". The stuff that was proven was bad and illegal. The Mueller report concluded that there was some evidence of coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia.[1] The investigation achieved multiple convictions and indictments. > "Trump's election can't be a symptom of any real institutional rot in America, it's just a result of dirty foreign tricks that will be exposed and easily rectified by removing Trump. It's not an either-or. Trump was only ever a competitive candidate due to real, deep problems and widespread disillusionment with the establishment. But it's also possible that Russian social media campaigns, the DNC email hacks, and the Comey letter tipped the scales (80k votes in 3 states) in his favor in 2016. We'll never really know. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report#Redacted_report_findings_compared_to_Barr_letter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report#Redacted_report...
jokethrowaway 6y ago
As an outsider I don't follow much USA politics, so apologies if I got the gist wrong and I'd appreciate corrections. For my bias, I mainly read left wing publications, listen to right wing YouTubers and I'm an anarcho-capitalist. The claim sold by the media was that Russia "hacked" the elections, making Trump win. (that was before this year's message that election meddling is highly unlikely) What was found out was contact with Russia to dig dirt on Trump's opponents. Sure, it may be illegal, but that's hardly interesting.
- maxerickson 6y ago
  There were not mainstream US media claims that the Russians hacked the 2016 elections. On the other hand, there were lots of stories about Russian influence operations.
  - ed25519FUUU 6y ago
    Did you watch basically any cable news in 2016? They literally started the Russian collusion special counsel investigations from allegations Russia hacked the DNC and released the emails to help Trump. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-the-russians-hacked-the-dnc-and-passed-its-emails-to-wikileaks/2018/07/13/af19a828-86c3-11e8-8553-a3ce89036c78_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-t...
    - maxerickson 6y ago
      The phrase 'Russia "hacked" the elections, making Trump win' implies tampering with the voting and vote counting. You've linked an influence operation that may have involved computer hacking. It's also, you know, pretty clear that Russia was running influence operations, not a media delusion.
      - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
        https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1344319775464415239 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1344319775464415239