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Here's the updated Microsoft post that contains the admission that the hackers viewed source code: https://msrc-blog.microsoft.com/2020/12/31/microsoft-interna

Here's the updated Microsoft post that contains the admission that the hackers viewed source code: https://msrc-blog.microsoft.com/2020/12/31/microsoft-internal-solorigate-investigation-update/ https://msrc-blog.microsoft.com/2020/12/31/microsoft-interna... Drives me crazy that Reuters could write an entire post about a Microsoft blog post, yet not link to the post itself.

giancarlostoro 6y ago
It drives me crazy when in 2020 news articles do not link to sources.
- dvdbloc 6y ago
  Why would they? Will it increase revenue if they do?
  - wslack 6y ago
    Because the goal of news should be to inform, especially when talking about court filings, and we as viewers should not give traffic to sites that don't do basic linking work.
    - 28u34ri 6y ago
      The goal of the "legacy news" is to support a paycheck. Wealthy individuals or groups will financially support these "legacy news" organizations as long as they have a say in what is put out.
    - Frost1x 6y ago
      I believe parent was being rhetorical and or facetious. What we believe organizations should do and what they actually do in is often misaligned based on problematic underlying driving forces/goals. Profit motives have tended to overcome all other incentives in our (the US) economic structure. It may be a broader problem globally due to power and influence of the US. The same can be said about consumer motives. I probably should shop locally more often, but I may not be able to afford local rates and have to pass the costs down the line if I want to continue supply more basic underlying goals (eating, staying sheltered, etc). At some point we have to have the difficult conversations of choosing the tradeoffs we do and don't want to support, otherwise we may let flawed underlying goal structures guide us to the paths of least resistance, which may ultimately not be good for humanity (or it may be, who knows). Given a lot of current directions, I find it hard to believe our underlying system structures are great for human well being. It may have been a good run for awhile but that may be a short temporal anomaly. We may have to more throughly consider long term consequences of goals we set that may run counter to their actual intent. It's easy for some to simply ignore the underlying problems and play the game optimally for oneself. Personally, I've never been happy with that option (the option which OP sort of alludes to).
  - will4274 6y ago
    Because it's what their customers want? Higher quality news sources have begun to get it (even if 10 years late).
- koolba 6y ago
  If 2020 has taught us anything, it’s that including sources will only lead to them being questioned to refute the article’s premise.
  - giancarlostoro 6y ago
    Them Covington High Schoolers would like to have a word. It took me under 10 minutes to do what CNN didn't bother to do: confirm the claims of one man. It cost them dearly, and rightfully so.
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Godel_unicode 6y ago
If you've been following this story you'll realize that someone at Reuters really has it in for Microsoft. This despite the backlash they've seen in the community for their rather tenuous leaps of logic (see for instance this gem: https://in.reuters.com/article/global-cyber-usa/suspected-russian-hackers-used-microsoft-vendors-to-breach-customers-idINKBN28Y1QF https://in.reuters.com/article/global-cyber-usa/suspected-ru...). You'll note that they buried the byline in this piece at the bottom, crediting "Reuters staff" at the top.
- tpmx 6y ago
  Trying to understand: You're saying Reuters shouldn't report severe security breaches at Microsoft? Or that they are doing it because someone there dislikes Microsoft? For the latter - does the motivation really matter?
  - Godel_unicode 6y ago
    I was responding to a comment about why Reuters didn't link their source for the article by pointing out that it's consistent with their coverage of trying to sensationalize a pretty boring story. If they linked the Microsoft blog post, people might realize that the story isn't what Reuters is trying to spin it as. Their motivation of generating click-bait at Microsoft's expense matters as it means you should seek clarifying information from other sources. Or just ignore Reuters and hope the drop in traffic drives them to more closely tell the whole story.
    - tpmx 6y ago
      But the Reuters piece (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-cyber-microsoft/solarwinds-hackers-accessed-microsoft-source-code-the-company-says-idUSKBN2951M9 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-cyber-microsoft/so...) is on point. Microsoft was in fact breached and attacker(s) accessed source code. Simplified, sure, but not overly so. (Linking or not linking to corporate blog posts - I agree they should do that, but I suspect it's a general article style guide thing.)
guardiangod 6y ago
Many security companies' stock went up upon release of this news, as they have done in the last 2 weeks. I'd not be surprise if someone in Reuters is profitting from hyping the breach.
- lallysingh 6y ago
  IIRC Bloomberg news rewards stock price changes directly.
dang 6y ago
Ok, we've changed to that from https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-cyber-microsoft/solarwinds-hackers-were-able-to-access-microsoft-source-code-microsoft-blog-post-idUSKBN2951M9 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-cyber-microsoft/so.... Thanks!

giancarlostoro 6y ago

It drives me crazy when in 2020 news articles do not link to sources.

dvdbloc 6y ago
Why would they? Will it increase revenue if they do?
- wslack 6y ago
  Because the goal of news should be to inform, especially when talking about court filings, and we as viewers should not give traffic to sites that don't do basic linking work.
  - 28u34ri 6y ago
    The goal of the "legacy news" is to support a paycheck. Wealthy individuals or groups will financially support these "legacy news" organizations as long as they have a say in what is put out.
  - Frost1x 6y ago
    I believe parent was being rhetorical and or facetious. What we believe organizations should do and what they actually do in is often misaligned based on problematic underlying driving forces/goals. Profit motives have tended to overcome all other incentives in our (the US) economic structure. It may be a broader problem globally due to power and influence of the US. The same can be said about consumer motives. I probably should shop locally more often, but I may not be able to afford local rates and have to pass the costs down the line if I want to continue supply more basic underlying goals (eating, staying sheltered, etc). At some point we have to have the difficult conversations of choosing the tradeoffs we do and don't want to support, otherwise we may let flawed underlying goal structures guide us to the paths of least resistance, which may ultimately not be good for humanity (or it may be, who knows). Given a lot of current directions, I find it hard to believe our underlying system structures are great for human well being. It may have been a good run for awhile but that may be a short temporal anomaly. We may have to more throughly consider long term consequences of goals we set that may run counter to their actual intent. It's easy for some to simply ignore the underlying problems and play the game optimally for oneself. Personally, I've never been happy with that option (the option which OP sort of alludes to).
- will4274 6y ago
  Because it's what their customers want? Higher quality news sources have begun to get it (even if 10 years late).
koolba 6y ago
If 2020 has taught us anything, it’s that including sources will only lead to them being questioned to refute the article’s premise.
- giancarlostoro 6y ago
  Them Covington High Schoolers would like to have a word. It took me under 10 minutes to do what CNN didn't bother to do: confirm the claims of one man. It cost them dearly, and rightfully so.
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Godel_unicode 6y ago

If you've been following this story you'll realize that someone at Reuters really has it in for Microsoft. This despite the backlash they've seen in the community for their rather tenuous leaps of logic (see for instance this gem: https://in.reuters.com/article/global-cyber-usa/suspected-russian-hackers-used-microsoft-vendors-to-breach-customers-idINKBN28Y1QF https://in.reuters.com/article/global-cyber-usa/suspected-ru...). You'll note that they buried the byline in this piece at the bottom, crediting "Reuters staff" at the top.

tpmx 6y ago
Trying to understand: You're saying Reuters shouldn't report severe security breaches at Microsoft? Or that they are doing it because someone there dislikes Microsoft? For the latter - does the motivation really matter?
- Godel_unicode 6y ago
  I was responding to a comment about why Reuters didn't link their source for the article by pointing out that it's consistent with their coverage of trying to sensationalize a pretty boring story. If they linked the Microsoft blog post, people might realize that the story isn't what Reuters is trying to spin it as. Their motivation of generating click-bait at Microsoft's expense matters as it means you should seek clarifying information from other sources. Or just ignore Reuters and hope the drop in traffic drives them to more closely tell the whole story.
  - tpmx 6y ago
    But the Reuters piece (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-cyber-microsoft/solarwinds-hackers-accessed-microsoft-source-code-the-company-says-idUSKBN2951M9 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-cyber-microsoft/so...) is on point. Microsoft was in fact breached and attacker(s) accessed source code. Simplified, sure, but not overly so. (Linking or not linking to corporate blog posts - I agree they should do that, but I suspect it's a general article style guide thing.)

guardiangod 6y ago

Many security companies' stock went up upon release of this news, as they have done in the last 2 weeks. I'd not be surprise if someone in Reuters is profitting from hyping the breach.

lallysingh 6y ago
IIRC Bloomberg news rewards stock price changes directly.

dang 6y ago

Ok, we've changed to that from https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-cyber-microsoft/solarwinds-hackers-were-able-to-access-microsoft-source-code-microsoft-blog-post-idUSKBN2951M9 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-cyber-microsoft/so.... Thanks!