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> They lived in close proximity for a good part of a millennium. And? That doesn't imply common heritage. > Do you think they haven't influenced each other?

• killertcell 6y ago
  >That doesn't imply common heritage. spot the american.
  • disown 6y ago
    Guilty as charged. So you think australia and indonesia have a common heritage because they are neighbors, but the US and australia don't because we live an ocean away? It's so funny, I was genuinely interested in this topic as my understanding of greece and turkey was one of conqueror and conquered, not "common heritage". I thought maybe there was history/ties/etc I was missing, but apparently it's just some politically driven people spewing nonsense. Perhaps foreigners just don't know what "common heritage" means. Spot the foreigner. Edit: As I noted in my other comment, to say greeks and turks share the same heritage is like saying americans and native americans share the same heritage. American heritage stems from britain, but no sane person would claim that native american heritage comes from britain. I don't think any sane person would associate the ottoman empire with greeks. They would associate it with the turks because it was a turkish empire. I bet most greeks see their heritage as ancient greece.
    • wonnage 6y ago
      The American educational system has really failed this one
    • hcho 6y ago
      The conqueror and conquered relationship has been about the 40% of aforementioned millennium. The rest they have been allies, mercenaries, enemies,trading partners, etc... It's far more nuanced than a single relationship type.
    • planetis 6y ago
      That solves it then, you are Greek-American never went to a Greek school. Well Greek history books are available freely online/
• hcho 6y ago
  They share food, words, customs and attitudes. That's the common heritage. Joining Ottoman empire is just a non sequitur.
  • disown 6y ago
    No. It's just pointing out the obvious. When you say greek heritage, I assume ancient greece, I don't assume ottoman empire. When you say turkish heritage, I think central asian steppes and ottoman empire. Last I checked, the ottoman empire was a turkish empire, not a greek one. Perhaps it's just the language difference. For example, nobody here would say the native americans and non-native americans have the same heritage. We've been living with natives for hundreds of years, but certainly american heritage stems from britain while native american heritage doesn't. You'd be mocked ( a la Elizabeth Warren ) or canceled if you claimed american native heritage when you are not native american. Seems like a lot of people are upset for no reason. But when politics and identity are involved, that's just what happens.
• Amezarak 6y ago
  > And? That doesn't imply common heritage. Western Turkey was inhabited by large Greek populations and colonies for a very long time, which was one of the reasons behind the Persian War. During the Hellenistic era, the Seleucid Empire, a Hellenistic kingdom, ruled most of modern-day Turkey. And then from the Roman era to 1453, the area remained largely Greek-speaking, with Constantinople (aka Istanbul) the center of Greco-Roman civilization, with the citizens thereof actually called "Greeks" by many peoples. Of course the Arabic and Turkic invasions introduced new peoples and changed things up quite a bit, but there's definitely common heritage between many people in Turkey and the Greeks, to the extent that many 'Turks' citizenship-wise are ethnic Greeks and other ethnic groups that spoke Greek and had a long participation in the Greek and Roman kingdoms.