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Is there any chance Erdogan will be democratically ousted?

by prox 6y ago

planetis 6y ago
If you can tolerate a police baton up your anus, hold a rally. :) (I'm referring to human rights reports from 2016, which stated that detainees after the failed coup were sodomized by the police)
petre 6y ago
Hardly. He's got a tight grip on the media, imprisoned or silenced most of the opposition, purged the military and the police after the failed coup and has the support of the conservative Turks, which basically granted him a mandate for many years to come. He'll probably end up being president for the rest of his life, just like Franco. Now his ambitions lie beyond the Turkush border into Southern Caucasus and Europe. Europeans should at the very least push back, support their Greek and Cypriot fellow EU members, grant asylum to kemalists, kurds and his other opponents, refuse further blackmail with refugees pouring in.
- frongpik 6y ago
  From the description, Erdogan seems like a reincarnation of Hitler.
Aduket 6y ago
Turk here. i doubt it. Average education level of turkish people is around 8th grade. He controls all the mainstream media, and preachers in the mosques. What remains as a free ground to spread the criticic voice is internet, which has been partially censored up to now and is going to be heavily suppressed as of 2021. And social media will no longer be a safe place for criticizing Erdogan, unless utilizing secure VPN's. When you indoctrinate uneducated people with religion and politics, you can control them anyway you want. Think about republican voters and how fanatic they have become under Trump's rule in mere four years. Turkey has been ruled by erdogan for the last 18 years, imagine how brainwashed their voter base is and how powerful erdogan has become. Even if erdogan loses in the elections, which court/state authority can punish him in the event that he refuses to leave the presidency? None.
- lambda_obrien 6y ago
  It's hilarious that you're voted down probably due to talking bad about Trump, but then you're actually from a place where a man like Trump was in charge for 2 decades, so maybe people here should listen to you about his ilk and what they do to a country and stop supporting him.
- prox 6y ago
  Not sure why you got downvoted, it’s very concerning. Before the coup attempt I was hopeful in democracy for Turkey. I believe it was then when most opposition was routed :/
  - Nginx487 6y ago
    Sad to say, but HN is also targeted by government-sponsored troll factories, at least from Russia and China. I can assume, they have "guidelines" to support "in a phony mode" anti-Western authoritarian and totalitarian regimes, including Iran, Turkey, and North Korea
- dustysilicon 6y ago
  > Think about republican voters and how fanatic they have become under Trump's rule in mere four years. Fanatics? Is that how you refer to different political views? If so, we are all fanatics.
  - wonnage 6y ago
    Yeah, you're a fanatic.
  - ethbr0 6y ago
    (Keeping this short, as OT) There's a big difference between different political views & refusing to accept the results of a US election and peddling conspiracy theories.
    - TheOperator 6y ago
      Are we talking about the conspiracy that Trump colluded with the Russians to fix the 2016 election, or the conspiracy that the 2020 elections were won by the democrats through voter fraud?

Is there any chance Erdogan will be democratically ousted?

by prox 6y ago

Is there any chance Erdogan will be democratically ousted?

If you can tolerate a police baton up your anus, hold a rally. :) (I'm referring to human rights reports from 2016, which stated that detainees after the failed coup were sodomized by the police)

petre 6y ago

Hardly. He's got a tight grip on the media, imprisoned or silenced most of the opposition, purged the military and the police after the failed coup and has the support of the conservative Turks, which basically granted him a mandate for many years to come. He'll probably end up being president for the rest of his life, just like Franco. Now his ambitions lie beyond the Turkush border into Southern Caucasus and Europe. Europeans should at the very least push back, support their Greek and Cypriot fellow EU members, grant asylum to kemalists, kurds and his other opponents, refuse further blackmail with refugees pouring in.

frongpik 6y ago
From the description, Erdogan seems like a reincarnation of Hitler.

Aduket 6y ago

Turk here. i doubt it. Average education level of turkish people is around 8th grade. He controls all the mainstream media, and preachers in the mosques. What remains as a free ground to spread the criticic voice is internet, which has been partially censored up to now and is going to be heavily suppressed as of 2021. And social media will no longer be a safe place for criticizing Erdogan, unless utilizing secure VPN's. When you indoctrinate uneducated people with religion and politics, you can control them anyway you want. Think about republican voters and how fanatic they have become under Trump's rule in mere four years. Turkey has been ruled by erdogan for the last 18 years, imagine how brainwashed their voter base is and how powerful erdogan has become. Even if erdogan loses in the elections, which court/state authority can punish him in the event that he refuses to leave the presidency? None.

lambda_obrien 6y ago
It's hilarious that you're voted down probably due to talking bad about Trump, but then you're actually from a place where a man like Trump was in charge for 2 decades, so maybe people here should listen to you about his ilk and what they do to a country and stop supporting him.
prox 6y ago
Not sure why you got downvoted, it’s very concerning. Before the coup attempt I was hopeful in democracy for Turkey. I believe it was then when most opposition was routed :/
- Nginx487 6y ago
  Sad to say, but HN is also targeted by government-sponsored troll factories, at least from Russia and China. I can assume, they have "guidelines" to support "in a phony mode" anti-Western authoritarian and totalitarian regimes, including Iran, Turkey, and North Korea
dustysilicon 6y ago
> Think about republican voters and how fanatic they have become under Trump's rule in mere four years. Fanatics? Is that how you refer to different political views? If so, we are all fanatics.
- wonnage 6y ago
  Yeah, you're a fanatic.
- ethbr0 6y ago
  (Keeping this short, as OT) There's a big difference between different political views & refusing to accept the results of a US election and peddling conspiracy theories.
  - TheOperator 6y ago
    Are we talking about the conspiracy that Trump colluded with the Russians to fix the 2016 election, or the conspiracy that the 2020 elections were won by the democrats through voter fraud?