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They lived in close proximity for a good part of a millennium. Do you think they haven't influenced each other?

by hcho 6y ago

bzb6 6y ago
Maybe so but they are entirely different countries currently in the things that matter.
- kingofpandora 6y ago
  Different countries ... with a common heritage.
  - bzb6 6y ago
    Greeks are Christians, Turks are Muslims. For starters.
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      That is both a difference and a similarity. Both are way closer to each other than any two random religions on average.
    - joeyo 6y ago
      That's a bit of a tautology because the population exchange was done on the basis of religion, not language. There were plenty of Greek speaking muslims and Turkish speaking orthodox christians before 1915.
    - tetris11 6y ago
      Many parts of Turkey and N Cyprus still speak Greek in secret
  - planetis 6y ago
    Maybe during history lessons you preferred a good beauty sleep instead of paying attention to the class :)
    - kingofpandora 6y ago
      If you don't see a lot of overlap between Greek and Turkish culture ... not sure what to say. Over a million "Greeks" were deported to Greece in the 1920s, despite many speaking only Turkish and many "Turks" were sent back the other way. Not to mention that most of those inhabiting Turkey today - and identifying as Turks - have an awful lot of non-Turkish ancestry. It's not only Greek of course (plenty of Armenian, Kurdish, Arab, Albanian, Circassian, Bulgarian, etc), but Greeks and Greek culture has had a massive imprint on modern Turkey - and Turks have also had an impact on modern Greek culture. Of course neither side is particularly happy to admit it, but it's very much there.
- dxdm 6y ago
  > entirely different countries currently in the things that matter. I don't know, there seems to be quite some common ground when it comes to food and drink, for example. That's part (and the result) of some shared culture, I'd say. Isn't it nice to realize that your neighbors might be people just like you are, who like to take their coffee in quite a similar way?
- redwood 6y ago
  Perhaps you don't realize that the heart of ancient Greece was really in what we now call modern-day turkey
disown 6y ago
> They lived in close proximity for a good part of a millennium. And? That doesn't imply common heritage. > Do you think they haven't influenced each other? That doesn't imply common heritage. Also if you talking about the ottoman empire. isn't the greek position that the ottoman empire was bad for them and hence why they sought independence? Or are you saying that greece should rejoin the ottoman empire and embrace the "common heritage"?
- killertcell 6y ago
  >That doesn't imply common heritage. spot the american.
  - disown 6y ago
    Guilty as charged. So you think australia and indonesia have a common heritage because they are neighbors, but the US and australia don't because we live an ocean away? It's so funny, I was genuinely interested in this topic as my understanding of greece and turkey was one of conqueror and conquered, not "common heritage". I thought maybe there was history/ties/etc I was missing, but apparently it's just some politically driven people spewing nonsense. Perhaps foreigners just don't know what "common heritage" means. Spot the foreigner. Edit: As I noted in my other comment, to say greeks and turks share the same heritage is like saying americans and native americans share the same heritage. American heritage stems from britain, but no sane person would claim that native american heritage comes from britain. I don't think any sane person would associate the ottoman empire with greeks. They would associate it with the turks because it was a turkish empire. I bet most greeks see their heritage as ancient greece.
    - wonnage 6y ago
      The American educational system has really failed this one
    - hcho 6y ago
      The conqueror and conquered relationship has been about the 40% of aforementioned millennium. The rest they have been allies, mercenaries, enemies,trading partners, etc... It's far more nuanced than a single relationship type.

They lived in close proximity for a good part of a millennium. Do you think they haven't influenced each other?

by hcho 6y ago

They lived in close proximity for a good part of a millennium. Do you think they haven't influenced each other?

bzb6 6y ago

Maybe so but they are entirely different countries currently in the things that matter.

kingofpandora 6y ago
Different countries ... with a common heritage.
- bzb6 6y ago
  Greeks are Christians, Turks are Muslims. For starters.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    That is both a difference and a similarity. Both are way closer to each other than any two random religions on average.
  - joeyo 6y ago
    That's a bit of a tautology because the population exchange was done on the basis of religion, not language. There were plenty of Greek speaking muslims and Turkish speaking orthodox christians before 1915.
  - tetris11 6y ago
    Many parts of Turkey and N Cyprus still speak Greek in secret
- planetis 6y ago
  Maybe during history lessons you preferred a good beauty sleep instead of paying attention to the class :)
  - kingofpandora 6y ago
    If you don't see a lot of overlap between Greek and Turkish culture ... not sure what to say. Over a million "Greeks" were deported to Greece in the 1920s, despite many speaking only Turkish and many "Turks" were sent back the other way. Not to mention that most of those inhabiting Turkey today - and identifying as Turks - have an awful lot of non-Turkish ancestry. It's not only Greek of course (plenty of Armenian, Kurdish, Arab, Albanian, Circassian, Bulgarian, etc), but Greeks and Greek culture has had a massive imprint on modern Turkey - and Turks have also had an impact on modern Greek culture. Of course neither side is particularly happy to admit it, but it's very much there.
dxdm 6y ago
> entirely different countries currently in the things that matter. I don't know, there seems to be quite some common ground when it comes to food and drink, for example. That's part (and the result) of some shared culture, I'd say. Isn't it nice to realize that your neighbors might be people just like you are, who like to take their coffee in quite a similar way?
redwood 6y ago
Perhaps you don't realize that the heart of ancient Greece was really in what we now call modern-day turkey

disown 6y ago

> They lived in close proximity for a good part of a millennium. And? That doesn't imply common heritage. > Do you think they haven't influenced each other? That doesn't imply common heritage. Also if you talking about the ottoman empire. isn't the greek position that the ottoman empire was bad for them and hence why they sought independence? Or are you saying that greece should rejoin the ottoman empire and embrace the "common heritage"?

killertcell 6y ago
>That doesn't imply common heritage. spot the american.
- disown 6y ago
  Guilty as charged. So you think australia and indonesia have a common heritage because they are neighbors, but the US and australia don't because we live an ocean away? It's so funny, I was genuinely interested in this topic as my understanding of greece and turkey was one of conqueror and conquered, not "common heritage". I thought maybe there was history/ties/etc I was missing, but apparently it's just some politically driven people spewing nonsense. Perhaps foreigners just don't know what "common heritage" means. Spot the foreigner. Edit: As I noted in my other comment, to say greeks and turks share the same heritage is like saying americans and native americans share the same heritage. American heritage stems from britain, but no sane person would claim that native american heritage comes from britain. I don't think any sane person would associate the ottoman empire with greeks. They would associate it with the turks because it was a turkish empire. I bet most greeks see their heritage as ancient greece.
  - wonnage 6y ago
    The American educational system has really failed this one
  - hcho 6y ago
    The conqueror and conquered relationship has been about the 40% of aforementioned millennium. The rest they have been allies, mercenaries, enemies,trading partners, etc... It's far more nuanced than a single relationship type.