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> They don't want to, and disregard the human rights of large numbers of people already in the country. I see, thanks. Is there any sanctions, diplomatic press

> They don't want to, and disregard the human rights of large numbers of people already in the country. I see, thanks. Is there any sanctions, diplomatic pressure that can be applied? I am just trying to put myself into the shoes of the average German who doesn't give a shit about geopolitical state of the world - they see a bunch of refugees with zero skills, language barrier and strong embedded religious fundamentalist views taking over. How is this difficult to see? This feels unfair to Germans and Europeans in general because of some conflict thousands of miles afar. I can understand small numbers of refugees being taken in, I support rebuilding and financing such tasks in their home countries, but jeez...

pjc50 6y ago
> This feels unfair to Germans and Europeans in general because of some conflict thousands of miles afar If you were to talk to the refugees themselves, you'd probably find that they thought losing everything they couldn't carry and being stuck in a country where they can't speak the language, have no status, no recognition of qualifications, no right to work, and yet no safe way to return either isn't particularly fair. > taking over Could you elaborate on to what extent they are taking over? What political and military offices they hold, what property they own etc?
- systemvoltage 6y ago
  I can see how they would feel that way and I think part of the problem would be exactly that - they will not be able to assimilate ever. > taking over Culture. Dilution of values. Fundamentalism which is so entrenched the religion (I suspect, high 90s % of strongly religious demographics, primarily Islam). Long term, I see even worse divergence of national unity - these people are now speaking the language, but their own German dialect, their kids are raising with local kids, etc. I personally do not see Germans share most of middle-eastern/islamic values. You cannot forcefully assimilate 2 different polarizing cultures, it is a time bomb of cultural divide. No matter how humanitarian your views are, there is no going away from this fact. I think the best solution is to provide aid - military, financial, food/medicine to these impoverished countries instead of taking refugees. Edit: I can't respond to your comment below, but I basically have fundamental disagreement about aligning Holocaust with Syrian refugee crisis. You're trying to shoehorn a narrative from the perspective of the lawmakers, I am asking simple questions about assimilation and integration. We're talking past each other? Anyways, I learned a few things from your opinions about the history of these archaic refugee laws. IMO they should be with the neighbors, not transcontinental. Thanks for the discussion.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    Different values that diverge from German national unity? Impossibility of integration? Maybe you'd like them marked out somehow? Discouraged from owning property or business? Put on a train to ... somewhere? From which they don't come back? Bluntly, Europe's laws on refugees date from the time when millions had to flee Germany, and the "military aid" was incinerating Dresden. The options are integration or extermination, and sending people back to Syria where they will quite likely be killed counts in the extermination column. Germany has decided to try the not getting millions killed option for a bit.

pjc50 6y ago

> This feels unfair to Germans and Europeans in general because of some conflict thousands of miles afar If you were to talk to the refugees themselves, you'd probably find that they thought losing everything they couldn't carry and being stuck in a country where they can't speak the language, have no status, no recognition of qualifications, no right to work, and yet no safe way to return either isn't particularly fair. > taking over Could you elaborate on to what extent they are taking over? What political and military offices they hold, what property they own etc?

systemvoltage 6y ago
I can see how they would feel that way and I think part of the problem would be exactly that - they will not be able to assimilate ever. > taking over Culture. Dilution of values. Fundamentalism which is so entrenched the religion (I suspect, high 90s % of strongly religious demographics, primarily Islam). Long term, I see even worse divergence of national unity - these people are now speaking the language, but their own German dialect, their kids are raising with local kids, etc. I personally do not see Germans share most of middle-eastern/islamic values. You cannot forcefully assimilate 2 different polarizing cultures, it is a time bomb of cultural divide. No matter how humanitarian your views are, there is no going away from this fact. I think the best solution is to provide aid - military, financial, food/medicine to these impoverished countries instead of taking refugees. Edit: I can't respond to your comment below, but I basically have fundamental disagreement about aligning Holocaust with Syrian refugee crisis. You're trying to shoehorn a narrative from the perspective of the lawmakers, I am asking simple questions about assimilation and integration. We're talking past each other? Anyways, I learned a few things from your opinions about the history of these archaic refugee laws. IMO they should be with the neighbors, not transcontinental. Thanks for the discussion.
- pjc50 6y ago
  Different values that diverge from German national unity? Impossibility of integration? Maybe you'd like them marked out somehow? Discouraged from owning property or business? Put on a train to ... somewhere? From which they don't come back? Bluntly, Europe's laws on refugees date from the time when millions had to flee Germany, and the "military aid" was incinerating Dresden. The options are integration or extermination, and sending people back to Syria where they will quite likely be killed counts in the extermination column. Germany has decided to try the not getting millions killed option for a bit.