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Erdogan has been a loose canon for a long time, and I suspect is only tolerated because of Turkey's precarious NATO membership.

• Tomte 6y ago
  No, because the EU's refugee deal with Turkey is paramount. Without it there are more refugees in Germany (and other "core" EU countries), and the tense political atmosphere tips over.
  • foolmeonce 6y ago
    Yes, but given past issues, the German government response is most likely to push/penalize Youtube into no longer helping Erdogan while ignoring any direct confrontation. Yet another YouTube ban in Turkey should work for almost everyone.
  • systemvoltage 6y ago
    Why aren't neighboring countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran, Ethiopia, etc. taking in 100% of the refugees? Can someone shed some light about refugee situation around NATO/EU? While humanitarian aspects must be taken care of, I only see refugee situation in Germany as a negative thing. It brings nothing to the country, and in fact brings other nonsense such as religious fundamentalism. These people are not going to assimilate into German culture. Edit: I know you’re downvoting based on political stance. Would be great if we can engage in a discussion. Could you share your thoughts please?
    • xxpor 6y ago
      That's the same thing people said about the Gastarbeiter in the 70s.
    • pjc50 6y ago
      > Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran They don't want to, and disregard the human rights of large numbers of people already in the country. > Ethiopia Can't afford to. There is no solution without ending the war, and there's no solution to that without addressing the forces keeping it going. It's like many of the Cold War conflicts, a proxy for wars not being fought with Russia.
      • bitcharmer 6y ago
        > They don't want to Any idea why?
        • bzb6 6y ago
          They don’t feel like throwing money around? They don’t feel like increasing the levels of insecurity? Just two examples.
          • systemvoltage 6y ago
            If France has war going on, we expect the neighbors Spain/Switzerland/Germany/Italy to help with the refugee situation. There should be no reason to send the French people to Indonesia even if Indonesia is the richest nation in the world. Local dynamics should be accounted for.
            • bzb6 6y ago
              Only that those countries (UAE, etc) don’t give a flying fuck about liberal values (in this case, good for them I guess)
            • pjc50 6y ago
              > France has war going on, we expect the neighbors Spain/Switzerland/Germany/Italy Per Wikipedia: > "Switzerland was easy to reach for refugees from the Nazis. Switzerland's refugee laws, especially with respect to Jews fleeing Germany, were strict and have caused controversy since the end of World War II. From 1933 until 1944 asylum for refugees could only be granted to those who were under personal threat owing to their political activities only; it did not include those who were under threat due to race, religion or ethnicity.[33] On the basis of this definition, Switzerland granted asylum to only 644 people between 1933 and 1945; of these, 252 cases were admitted during the war.[33] All other refugees were admitted by the individual cantons and were granted different permits, including a "tolerance permit" that allowed them to live in the canton but not to work. Over the course of the war, Switzerland interned 300,000 refugees.[34] Of these, 104,000 were foreign troops interned according to the Rights and Duties of Neutral Powers outlined in the Hague Conventions. The rest were foreign civilians and were either interned or granted tolerance or residence permits by the cantonal authorities. Refugees were not allowed to hold jobs. Of the refugees, 60,000 were civilians escaping persecution by the Nazis. Of these 60,000, 27,000 were Jews.[33] Between 10,000 and 24,000 Jewish civilian refugees were refused entry" Europe's relatively humanitarian laws about refugees are based in the knowledge of how many countries barred entry to Jews who were subsequently exterminated in the gas chambers.
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  • naruvimama 6y ago
    Put some armed sentry that shoots on sight,, no more refugees. It is part of Turkey's strategy fill Europe with Muslims and them wanting to reinstate the Caliphate.
  • mytailorisrich 6y ago
    We only need a deal on 'refugees' with Turkey because of political cowardice. In practice we don't need a deal, we need to secure the EU border as we should be.
• cblconfederate 6y ago
  - He does the US's bidding in the region , countering russia in Syria, Libya, and Nagorno-karabakh without the US having to take blame for it - He does Germany's bidding by countering French interventionism in Libya / eastmed without Germany having to take blame for it
  • jessaustin 6y ago
    ...Nagorno-karabakh... That's another recent event that went totally uncovered by USA news media firms. They thought some confused Americans might object to military aid that encourages Muslims to attack Christians.
    • JumpCrisscross 6y ago
      > Americans might object to military aid that encourages Muslims to attack Christians Baku is far from a strategic rival to the United States. It’s not an ally either, more non-aligned. Transcaucasian geopolitics—-in reality, most geopolitics—-are not a daily priority for most Americans in a badly-managed pandemic.
      • jessaustin 6y ago
        Baku is certainly too far away to be a "strategic" anything. One would have hoped that the requirement for military aid would have been a bit more stringent than that! However, they got the arms used in their continued efforts to squeeze the Armenians from USA via Turkey. Foreign wars playing on USA TV is a double-edged sword. Yes, we should be more aware of how our actions harm those in other nations. But, no, it isn't a good thing for the news firms to make us more worried about remote events, since that fear is itself the most common pretext to additional disastrous violence.
    • selimthegrim 6y ago
      Uh, didn’t Israel sell weapons to the Azeris because they buy their oil? Pretty sure there’s realpolitik going on
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