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Hospital employee fired for ‘intentionally’ ruining 500 doses of vaccine
- haspoken 6y agohttp://archive.is/jk7Wf http://archive.is/jk7Wf
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- Exmoor 6y agoIt would've taken about the same amount of time to find and link a non-paywalled article, and been much more useful. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/12/31/wisconsin-covid-19-vaccine-ruined-aurora-employee/4097416001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/12/31/wiscon...
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- WarOnPrivacy 6y agoI am wishing he didn't have some politically connected agenda. Those fires need no more fuel.
- yters 6y agoI don't know why someone would intentionally destroy vaccines.
- bamboleo 6y agoBecause they think they’re saving people from vaccines. The irony
- krapp 6y agoThere are a ton of conspiracy theories around vaccines, and the coronavirus vaccine in particular.
- yters 6y agoWhy would coronavirus vaccines be any more problematic than any other vaccine? If powers that be want to slip special gunk in the coronavirus vaccine, they can just as easily do that for flu shots or any other mandatory vaccine out there.
- krallja 6y agoflu shots aren’t mandatory in the US. Only half of Americans get the flu shot in most normal years.
- sonotathrowaway 6y agoIf a person was able to rationally process evidence they probably wouldn’t believe conspiracy theories to begin with.
- yters 6y agoGood thing people in authority never use their power for evil.
- henriquez 6y agoIsn’t the MSRP for those vaccine doses something north of $10k each? In addition to being a really dumb thing to do, it also sounds like a potentially ruinous amount of financial damage if the hospital tries to recover the funds. I couldn’t read due to the paywall but really wonder what would be going through someone’s head to do that... it’s one thing to not want a vaccine (personally I’d rather wait a bit), but another to actively sabotage one of the biggest medical initiatives in our lifetime.
- bamboleo 6y agoI don’t know for sure, but from what I read the cost per dose is under USD 40 since a lot of governments already invested billions into their research. If they asked 10k per vial after all of that money it’d be a huge slap in the face.
- Swenrekcah 6y agoI thought the doses ranged from around $3 - $100 depending on the type. But I also can’t read the article so I don’t know which vaccine it was.
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- zamadatix 6y agoPfizer charges $19.50 per dose ($39 per 2 round vaccination). You might want to be more cautious about the place you heard MSRP is $10,000 per dose, it's clearly not that price at the volume it's being distributed.
- hadrien01 6y ago12 euros in the EU for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, that's about 15 dollars.
- rsynnott 6y ago> Isn’t the MSRP for those vaccine doses something north of $10k each? ... No. Where on earth did you get that? It depends what your government has negotiated with the drug company, but generally somewhere between 10 and 20 euro a dose, or under 5 euro a dose for Oxford. EU prices, for instance: https://www.businessinsider.com/cost-pfizer-astrazeneca-moderna-vaccine-eu-revealed-belgian-mp-2020-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/cost-pfizer-astrazeneca-mode...
- zepto 6y agoWeird - I wonder what they were thinking? If they thought that it was worth ruining them, they must have believe that they work.
- zamadatix 6y agoThat's just one possibility, they could also have destroyed them intentionally because of a conspiracy about the vaccine being bad for people. We won't know without more information.
- gilrain 6y agoAnti-vaxxers don't think they don't work; they believe (without evidence) that they are more harmful than helpful.
- Felony_Fred 6y agoMany people also believe (without enough evidence) that they are more helpful than harmful. If you are 85 with a pulmonary condition, you should probably get it. If you are 39 and in good health, you should probably avoid it. I'm not a fervent anti-vaxxer, but I have more chances of getting hit by a truck than dying of that hard flu, which I did get. Getting injected with a substance we know relatively little about doesn't make sense in view of what it seeks to prevent. I'll take the virus ( again ) over the vaccine any day.
- Shared404 6y agoFor those wondering, this entire account consists of argument about Covid. Make of that what you will. Edit: I do not normally go snooping through account history, however, for a new account that is arguing about Covid, I make exceptions.
- Felony_Fred 6y ago> this entire account consists of argument about Covid More like 11 / 21 total threads I commented in. Given this is a pretty hot and important topic, and that the flow of information about it is restricted ( censored ) through various mechanisms, especially the stance I have on it, which is best resumed by the Great Barrington Declaration ( signed by 13,000 + medical and public health scientists that I keep linking to ) I believe this is not an unreasonable ratio. In any event, your claim is false. If you check some of the stuff I've linked to, you may find I have some objectively valid points.
- nimbius 6y ago>57 vials of the vaccine, which must be kept at low temperatures to remain viable, had to be tossed Saturday when they were discovered outside the refrigerator. im a diesel engine mechanic by trade and this sounds entirely within the realm of human error. As someone in a "manager"-ish position though, termination sounds a little on the extreme side considering healthcare is strained to the breaking point currently. people get in a rush sometimes. I once caught an employee i hired a few years back watering down something called DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) with tap water. DEF is extremely critical in modern trucks as it arrests and reduces gasses and chemicals from diesel exhaust that directly contribute to climate change and global warming. Newer trucks wont even shift into drive without it. When i asked him why he was ruining all our DEF he pointed out that his last employer did this routinely to get customers in and out faster and reduce costs. Instead of firing him I explained how the diesel particulate filter works, and why adding tap water would foul it.
- krapp 6y agoYou should have kept reading - the employee responsible later acknowledged it was a deliberate act, although the motive remains unknown.
- toast0 6y agoFrom the USA Today article linked in comments, there's a quote that the individual "acknowledged that they intentionally removed the vaccine from refrigeration." That's a deliberate act, but the thing that's missing is the purpose they had for removing it. Did they put it out because they thought it was going to be used for a vaccination drive that day, but it wasn't? Did they do it to purposefully ruin it? They didn't acknowledge that. Was it improperly stored in a refrigeration unit that is restricted for only storing other things and the person put it out and posted about it, but nobody claimed it? Maybe it was in a beer fridge or the break room fridge on cleanout day. Lots of options. In the example the poster said, it was a deliberate act, but in the poster's case, the intent wasn't to ruin things, even if that would have resulted from the deliberare act.
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- bilekas 6y agoThis is crazy. Not even considering the intention behind it, I can't see the penalty being that serious either, on the face of it, is this not just a destruction of private property ? What kind of punishment could the employee be looking at ?
- Koiwai 6y ago"Penalty being that serious"? really?
- jmartrican 6y agoIf you squint hard enough maybe it's a form of endangerment. There are various types of endangerment, maybe one of them fit here.
- xiphias2 6y agoIt's not just private property. It's the bottleneck for ending suffering for billions of people. I'm in constant constant stress about getting the virus because I breathe harder than most people. Young people are in stress because they are jobless. Old people are scared of both dieing and being alone.
- abduhl 6y agoOh man are you going to be disappointed when you get the vaccine and your "suffering" doesn't subside. You should probably talk to someone about it.
- slowmovintarget 6y agoHe was deliberately trying to make people harm themselves. He wanted people getting the vaccine to get sick instead. When you can prove intent with statements like his, it does matter. Granted, he may escape prison due to incompetence to stand trial.
- vidanay 6y agoThere better be a follow up article about "license revoked, and charges filed."