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> Shame - is good Gotta shamelessly disagree with you on this one. Shame serves only to erode morale and damages society more as a whole. It turns the world i

> Shame - is good Gotta shamelessly disagree with you on this one. Shame serves only to erode morale and damages society more as a whole. It turns the world into nothing more than a petty blame-game whereby everything comes to a halt because everyone's too busy living in "aww" of other peoples' behavior to keep society chugging along - hello 2020...? Shaming is the opposite of productive or effective energy. It's just a petty way to try and control others. Agree with someone, disagree, don't have an opinion, who cares. But shaming them....egh. Feels like a waste of energy to me.

papito 6y ago
There is a point at which shame become detrimental to a person, but in general, this is absolutely not true. I feel obstructive amounts of shame, but I fought that and asked for a lower rent on my lease, and I got it. But I am not going to cut in line at the grocery store even though, according to you, my feeling shame in that case is just stopping me from doing what I want.
- kempbellt 6y ago
  > absolutely not true Only the Sith deal in absolutes. > I feel obstructive amounts of shame, but I fought that and asked for a lower rent on my lease, and I got it. Genuinely: congrats. Self-advocation is extremely rewarding, and something that I personally love to see in others. > But I am not going to cut in line at the grocery store even though, according to you, my feeling shame in that case is just stopping me from doing what I want. If someone has a genuine need to cut in line and demonstrates that to the people they are cutting in line, I don't see any issue here. I would take no issue being cut in line, in this situation and just think, "They've got somewhere important to be". But still, if they did it dickishly, I wouldn't shame them. I might confront them, or just...cut back. But for me to shame them, is such a drain of my energy... And whether they feel shame for an action on their own, is beyond what I care to spend my time thinking about. I'm not their mom.
  - papito 6y ago
    We are not even talking about shaming people. This is not the discussion at ALL. We are discussing people's inability to feel shame.
    - kempbellt 6y ago
      Your shameless self-advocation for your opinion here, and use of caps to YELL your point makes it seem like you disagree with...yourself? "We" call this cognitive dissonance. Arguing that shame is good, while demonstrating the opposite. Why would a person feel shame if they are not otherwise being shamed by people? Your first comment was directly discussing the president's lack of feeling ashamed for behavior which you implicitly decided he should feel ashamed for... You literally shamed him in your comment, so yes...this conversation is very much about shaming people.

papito 6y ago

There is a point at which shame become detrimental to a person, but in general, this is absolutely not true. I feel obstructive amounts of shame, but I fought that and asked for a lower rent on my lease, and I got it. But I am not going to cut in line at the grocery store even though, according to you, my feeling shame in that case is just stopping me from doing what I want.

kempbellt 6y ago
> absolutely not true Only the Sith deal in absolutes. > I feel obstructive amounts of shame, but I fought that and asked for a lower rent on my lease, and I got it. Genuinely: congrats. Self-advocation is extremely rewarding, and something that I personally love to see in others. > But I am not going to cut in line at the grocery store even though, according to you, my feeling shame in that case is just stopping me from doing what I want. If someone has a genuine need to cut in line and demonstrates that to the people they are cutting in line, I don't see any issue here. I would take no issue being cut in line, in this situation and just think, "They've got somewhere important to be". But still, if they did it dickishly, I wouldn't shame them. I might confront them, or just...cut back. But for me to shame them, is such a drain of my energy... And whether they feel shame for an action on their own, is beyond what I care to spend my time thinking about. I'm not their mom.
- papito 6y ago
  We are not even talking about shaming people. This is not the discussion at ALL. We are discussing people's inability to feel shame.
  - kempbellt 6y ago
    Your shameless self-advocation for your opinion here, and use of caps to YELL your point makes it seem like you disagree with...yourself? "We" call this cognitive dissonance. Arguing that shame is good, while demonstrating the opposite. Why would a person feel shame if they are not otherwise being shamed by people? Your first comment was directly discussing the president's lack of feeling ashamed for behavior which you implicitly decided he should feel ashamed for... You literally shamed him in your comment, so yes...this conversation is very much about shaming people.