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> Either we get sufficient money, and maybe support, and then we can do it quickly; or PyPy will just remain not natively available on M1 hardware for the next

> Either we get sufficient money, and maybe support, and then we can do it quickly; or PyPy will just remain not natively available on M1 hardware for the next 3-5 years Out of curiosity, what is a ballpark, a rough estimate of the "sufficient money" for a project like this?

franciscop 6y ago
From the rest of the blog post it seems enough to buy a single M1 machine with 8+ GB of RAM, so my estimate is that it should be a bit over $1k for a basic Mac Mini + shipping + Apple Care.
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- captain_price7 6y ago
  I don't think we should exclude fund for developer time from the calculation, at least that's what I understood from this sentence in post: > I would do it myself for a small amount of money.
  - franciscop 6y ago
    Ah true, I got confused with "It can be either a machine provided and maintained by a third party, or alternatively a pot of money big enough to support the acquision of a machine and ongoing work of one of us." and conflated the "pot of money" for the machine with the total being asked for, my bad.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  That assumes they work for free
anigbrowl 6y ago
I too became frustrated reading the article and trying to figure out what they were asking for. Protip: patrons and sponsors do not want to know all the details, and certainly not up-front. What they want is to know what you're asking for, what you offer in return and then (briefly) how one leads to the other. Thus: We make Pypy, which does X and is used by Y people, including projects such as Z, z, and z'. We'd love to bring Pypy to Apple's exciting new M1 hardware, but that needs resources. We're looking for $CASH_MONEY to buy some M1 hardware that we can develop, test against, and eventually run the repository on. With #NUM_MACHINES available, we believe was can have PyPy available to all M1 developers by %CALENDAR_MONTH. We also like eating and drinking and if you send us more money we will spend some of it on !GOOD_TIME(HAVING). The whole approach of 'we're not asking for much, just x would help' is how volunteers talk to each other, minimizing their ask so that reorienting effort is not too burdensome for anyone. But how you talk to each other is not a good way to talk to external readers, because it requires effort to parse what you are getting at and then further effort to negotiate and arrange everything which is a distraction from their own concerns. Many people would rather just give you some cash and sign up for a monthly progress update. There's a reason services Kickstarter etc. work so well: they save the donors time and entanglement. Just set up : PyPy on Mac M1 for $5000?' or similar and make it easy for people to throw money at you.
- highlandinfo 6y ago
  I agree -- I'm fortunate enough to be able to consider just buying an M1 mini and sending it to someone in order to support this, but it's not clear who I would send it to, nor if that would even be helpful.

franciscop 6y ago

From the rest of the blog post it seems enough to buy a single M1 machine with 8+ GB of RAM, so my estimate is that it should be a bit over $1k for a basic Mac Mini + shipping + Apple Care.

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captain_price7 6y ago
I don't think we should exclude fund for developer time from the calculation, at least that's what I understood from this sentence in post: > I would do it myself for a small amount of money.
- franciscop 6y ago
  Ah true, I got confused with "It can be either a machine provided and maintained by a third party, or alternatively a pot of money big enough to support the acquision of a machine and ongoing work of one of us." and conflated the "pot of money" for the machine with the total being asked for, my bad.
mhh__ 6y ago
That assumes they work for free

anigbrowl 6y ago

I too became frustrated reading the article and trying to figure out what they were asking for. Protip: patrons and sponsors do not want to know all the details, and certainly not up-front. What they want is to know what you're asking for, what you offer in return and then (briefly) how one leads to the other. Thus: We make Pypy, which does X and is used by Y people, including projects such as Z, z, and z'. We'd love to bring Pypy to Apple's exciting new M1 hardware, but that needs resources. We're looking for $CASH_MONEY to buy some M1 hardware that we can develop, test against, and eventually run the repository on. With #NUM_MACHINES available, we believe was can have PyPy available to all M1 developers by %CALENDAR_MONTH. We also like eating and drinking and if you send us more money we will spend some of it on !GOOD_TIME(HAVING). The whole approach of 'we're not asking for much, just x would help' is how volunteers talk to each other, minimizing their ask so that reorienting effort is not too burdensome for anyone. But how you talk to each other is not a good way to talk to external readers, because it requires effort to parse what you are getting at and then further effort to negotiate and arrange everything which is a distraction from their own concerns. Many people would rather just give you some cash and sign up for a monthly progress update. There's a reason services Kickstarter etc. work so well: they save the donors time and entanglement. Just set up : PyPy on Mac M1 for $5000?' or similar and make it easy for people to throw money at you.

highlandinfo 6y ago
I agree -- I'm fortunate enough to be able to consider just buying an M1 mini and sending it to someone in order to support this, but it's not clear who I would send it to, nor if that would even be helpful.