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I really want to see big companies compete on green transformation. It shouldn’t just be the right thing - it needs to be sexy and cool. Space race but green r

I really want to see big companies compete on green transformation. It shouldn’t just be the right thing - it needs to be sexy and cool. Space race but green race?

yiyus 6y ago
The problem is that this already is a commercial race. As long as there are producers who do not care about emissios making cheap steel, winning the green race will only be a consolation prize.
ginko 6y ago
>it needs to be sexy and cool It needs to be profitable first and foremost.
jinkyu 6y ago
ok, now compete with china and india where they only care about profit, not the environment
- mikepurvis 6y ago
  European nations and the US got a 100+ year head start over those places on the overall project of industrialization. It's profoundly unjust for us to outsource our production to them for the cheap labour and lax environmental standards and then simultaneously pin the blame on them for climate change and emissions. Even if the current state of affairs has the West not producing the bulk of global carbon emissions, there's a solid argument to be made the West still has a responsibility to pioneer technologies that can ultimately be transferred to the planet's largest polluters.
  - colpabar 6y ago
    >the West still has a responsibility to pioneer technologies that can ultimately be transferred to the planet's largest polluters. Or we could stop outsourcing production to those polluters, and do it in countries with better environmental standards instead. It is confusing to me that this isn't the #1 goal of environmentalists right now. When will those technologies be invented? How long will it take to get them to be used globally? It feels like every few years we're given a new cutoff date for a serious course correction to prevent massive, irreparable climate change from occurring. Do we have enough time? Why do we seemingly prioritize the development of third world economies over climate action?
  - hinkley 6y ago
    You’re both the prettiest. We do need to compete with production in places with lax standards. Right now it’s apples and oranges, because they aren’t including externalities and modern capitalism is addicted to “too good to be true” stories. Either they need to tax the production fairly, or we do.
hinkley 6y ago
Fossil fuel free metal smelting is also space race material. Anyone who dreams of extraterrestrial manufacturing should be keeping an eye on refining processes that reduce the carbon to a small fraction of the inputs.

I really want to see big companies compete on green transformation. It shouldn’t just be the right thing - it needs to be sexy and cool. Space race but green race?

yiyus 6y ago

The problem is that this already is a commercial race. As long as there are producers who do not care about emissios making cheap steel, winning the green race will only be a consolation prize.

ginko 6y ago

>it needs to be sexy and cool It needs to be profitable first and foremost.

jinkyu 6y ago

ok, now compete with china and india where they only care about profit, not the environment

mikepurvis 6y ago
European nations and the US got a 100+ year head start over those places on the overall project of industrialization. It's profoundly unjust for us to outsource our production to them for the cheap labour and lax environmental standards and then simultaneously pin the blame on them for climate change and emissions. Even if the current state of affairs has the West not producing the bulk of global carbon emissions, there's a solid argument to be made the West still has a responsibility to pioneer technologies that can ultimately be transferred to the planet's largest polluters.
- colpabar 6y ago
  >the West still has a responsibility to pioneer technologies that can ultimately be transferred to the planet's largest polluters. Or we could stop outsourcing production to those polluters, and do it in countries with better environmental standards instead. It is confusing to me that this isn't the #1 goal of environmentalists right now. When will those technologies be invented? How long will it take to get them to be used globally? It feels like every few years we're given a new cutoff date for a serious course correction to prevent massive, irreparable climate change from occurring. Do we have enough time? Why do we seemingly prioritize the development of third world economies over climate action?
- hinkley 6y ago
  You’re both the prettiest. We do need to compete with production in places with lax standards. Right now it’s apples and oranges, because they aren’t including externalities and modern capitalism is addicted to “too good to be true” stories. Either they need to tax the production fairly, or we do.

hinkley 6y ago

Fossil fuel free metal smelting is also space race material. Anyone who dreams of extraterrestrial manufacturing should be keeping an eye on refining processes that reduce the carbon to a small fraction of the inputs.