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It's everyone. Yes that includes Trump, but also Kamala Harris who accused Biden of sexual harassment and then joined him as a running mate and the various peop

by nailer 6y ago

It's everyone. Yes that includes Trump, but also Kamala Harris who accused Biden of sexual harassment and then joined him as a running mate and the various people that engaged in the Russiagate conspiracy. There's no penalty to being wrong or being shown to be a hypocrite. The lie gets 40K retweets, the correction 300.

papito 6y ago
The Bullshit Asymmetry Principle: "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."
kskqkqk912 6y ago
The part about Kamala Harris is factually incorrect. Please provide a source where she or one of her surrogates is quoted leveling this type of accusing at Biden.
- Veen 6y ago
  She said, in reference to the women who alleged Biden sexually assaulted them: > “I believe them, and I respect them being able to tell their story and having the courage to do it.” https://www.independent.co.uk/us-election-2020/kamala-harris-police-joe-biden-sexual-assault-law-and-order-2020-election-a9666131.html https://www.independent.co.uk/us-election-2020/kamala-harris...
pjc50 6y ago
The Harris business is extremely disappointing, but Russiagate-related charges to Trump associates were proven in criminal court and people went to jail for them. The only thing that wasn't proven was a direct link to Trump himself.
- nailer 6y ago
  No. Nobody in the Trump administration went to jail for colluding with Russia. > The Special Counsel's report, made public in April 2019, examined numerous contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials but concluded that, though the Trump campaign welcomed the Russian activities and expected to benefit from them, there was insufficient evidence to bring any conspiracy or coordination charges against Trump or his associates. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20...
  - pjc50 6y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort > On October 27, 2017, Manafort and his business associate Rick Gates were indicted in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia on multiple charges arising from his consulting work for the pro-Russian government of Viktor Yanukovych in Ukraine before Yanukovych's overthrow in 2014.[18] The indictment came at the request of Robert Mueller's Special Counsel investigation.[19][20] In June 2018, additional charges were filed against Manafort for obstruction of justice and witness tampering that are alleged to have occurred while he was under house arrest,[21] and he was ordered to jail. > bring any conspiracy or coordination charges against Trump or his associates That is not what I said. Strictly there are no "conspiracy" charges. Manafort was charged on his own. However, he is a Trump associate, and he was charged as a result of the Muller investigation.
    - nailer 6y ago
      Yes but not for colliding with Russia, which is a fairly important part of a conspiracy about Trump colluding with Russia to steal the election.
      - pjc50 6y ago
        Would you be saying that if it was a Clinton or Biden associate jailed? After all, there's no evidence that Joe Biden colluded in or even had any knowledge of whatever it was that Hunter biden was supposed to have done that isn't being investigated by law enforcement or the courts.
        nailer 6y ago
        Yes I would. See earlier in the thread where literally the first thing I mention is that Trump lies a lot. This isn't team sports. QAnon being fake doesn't make RussiaGate real.

by nailer 6y ago

papito 6y ago

The Bullshit Asymmetry Principle: "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

kskqkqk912 6y ago

The part about Kamala Harris is factually incorrect. Please provide a source where she or one of her surrogates is quoted leveling this type of accusing at Biden.

Veen 6y ago
She said, in reference to the women who alleged Biden sexually assaulted them: > “I believe them, and I respect them being able to tell their story and having the courage to do it.” https://www.independent.co.uk/us-election-2020/kamala-harris-police-joe-biden-sexual-assault-law-and-order-2020-election-a9666131.html https://www.independent.co.uk/us-election-2020/kamala-harris...

pjc50 6y ago

The Harris business is extremely disappointing, but Russiagate-related charges to Trump associates were proven in criminal court and people went to jail for them. The only thing that wasn't proven was a direct link to Trump himself.

nailer 6y ago
No. Nobody in the Trump administration went to jail for colluding with Russia. > The Special Counsel's report, made public in April 2019, examined numerous contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials but concluded that, though the Trump campaign welcomed the Russian activities and expected to benefit from them, there was insufficient evidence to bring any conspiracy or coordination charges against Trump or his associates. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20...
- pjc50 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort > On October 27, 2017, Manafort and his business associate Rick Gates were indicted in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia on multiple charges arising from his consulting work for the pro-Russian government of Viktor Yanukovych in Ukraine before Yanukovych's overthrow in 2014.[18] The indictment came at the request of Robert Mueller's Special Counsel investigation.[19][20] In June 2018, additional charges were filed against Manafort for obstruction of justice and witness tampering that are alleged to have occurred while he was under house arrest,[21] and he was ordered to jail. > bring any conspiracy or coordination charges against Trump or his associates That is not what I said. Strictly there are no "conspiracy" charges. Manafort was charged on his own. However, he is a Trump associate, and he was charged as a result of the Muller investigation.
  - nailer 6y ago
    Yes but not for colliding with Russia, which is a fairly important part of a conspiracy about Trump colluding with Russia to steal the election.
    - pjc50 6y ago
      Would you be saying that if it was a Clinton or Biden associate jailed? After all, there's no evidence that Joe Biden colluded in or even had any knowledge of whatever it was that Hunter biden was supposed to have done that isn't being investigated by law enforcement or the courts.
      - nailer 6y ago
        Yes I would. See earlier in the thread where literally the first thing I mention is that Trump lies a lot. This isn't team sports. QAnon being fake doesn't make RussiaGate real.