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RT @HackerNewsOnion: California has ruled it illegal to conceal a company’s JIRA subscription for the purpose of attracting engineers. https://twitter.com/Hack

RT @HackerNewsOnion: California has ruled it illegal to conceal a company’s JIRA subscription for the purpose of attracting engineers. https://twitter.com/HackerNewsOnion/status/981609242221318145 https://twitter.com/HackerNewsOnion/status/98160924222131814...

paulryanrogers 6y ago
Do people really avoid companies based on their choice of administrative services?
- BlargMcLarg 6y ago
  Choice of administrative services can definitely be a symptom of a larger problem. When most of the services used are unfriendly to the user and one is expected to use these every day, especially with alternatives available, that doesn't tell me they value their workers a lot.
- SkyPuncher 6y ago
  In my experience, their PM tools tell a lot about the possible complexity/overhead of their process. Jira and the other behemoths tend to come with a lot of process/formality. Tends to be borderline waterfall. The lighter-weight tools tend to be used by teams that actually run an Agile process.
  - paulryanrogers 6y ago
    Perhaps. Could also be that management uses the tools they are familiar with, even if overkill. I use Git for one man projects even though Subversion or even just periodic rsync would suffice.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  Are you asking if people care about the tools they're going to have to work with to practice their profession? Yes, of course. I imagine you do as well! If you were looking for a job and they were programming in VB 6 and using CVS for version control I would imagine you (or almost everyone if not you) would say 'hmmm I'm not sure that's how I want to spend my day'. I know I don't want to spend my precious hours on Earth trying to remember which markup syntax this particular input box uses in Jira today.
  - paulryanrogers 6y ago
    CVS and VB6 are more central to my role as an IC. So to me the issue tracker is not significant. Though I agree the inconsistency in JIRA input formats is a bit maddening
- toast0 6y ago
  Software development and deployment process and the tools used to follow (or circumvent, as the case may be) are a large portion of the work of a software developer. It makes a huge difference in my happiness if I'm fighting with procedures and tools all day, or fighting with user impacting problems all day. I imagine this is true for people who don't share my process and tool preferences, too.

paulryanrogers 6y ago

Do people really avoid companies based on their choice of administrative services?

BlargMcLarg 6y ago
Choice of administrative services can definitely be a symptom of a larger problem. When most of the services used are unfriendly to the user and one is expected to use these every day, especially with alternatives available, that doesn't tell me they value their workers a lot.
SkyPuncher 6y ago
In my experience, their PM tools tell a lot about the possible complexity/overhead of their process. Jira and the other behemoths tend to come with a lot of process/formality. Tends to be borderline waterfall. The lighter-weight tools tend to be used by teams that actually run an Agile process.
- paulryanrogers 6y ago
  Perhaps. Could also be that management uses the tools they are familiar with, even if overkill. I use Git for one man projects even though Subversion or even just periodic rsync would suffice.
chrisseaton 6y ago
Are you asking if people care about the tools they're going to have to work with to practice their profession? Yes, of course. I imagine you do as well! If you were looking for a job and they were programming in VB 6 and using CVS for version control I would imagine you (or almost everyone if not you) would say 'hmmm I'm not sure that's how I want to spend my day'. I know I don't want to spend my precious hours on Earth trying to remember which markup syntax this particular input box uses in Jira today.
- paulryanrogers 6y ago
  CVS and VB6 are more central to my role as an IC. So to me the issue tracker is not significant. Though I agree the inconsistency in JIRA input formats is a bit maddening
toast0 6y ago
Software development and deployment process and the tools used to follow (or circumvent, as the case may be) are a large portion of the work of a software developer. It makes a huge difference in my happiness if I'm fighting with procedures and tools all day, or fighting with user impacting problems all day. I imagine this is true for people who don't share my process and tool preferences, too.