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I don’t remember Hillary Clinton calling Trump’s election fake in Nov 2016 (she conceded the morning after Election Day). There were no calls from Obama asking
by pavlov 6y ago
I don’t remember Hillary Clinton calling Trump’s election fake in Nov 2016 (she conceded the morning after Election Day). There were no calls from Obama asking state legislators to overturn the results, or for VP Biden to just ignore state results and pick electors himself in Jan 2017 (which is what many Republicans are asking Pence to do next week).
Later there was an investigation into Russian election interference authorized by Trump’s own Attorney General. Five people went to prison. That’s not a conspiracy theory.
Speculation about Trump’s motives was fueled by his own extremely bizarre behavior towards Russia. In the infamous Helsinki meeting, he first destroyed interpreter’s notes to hide what was discussed, then took Putin’s side against the American intelligence community. My own feeling is that he did all this simply out of a weird admiration for Putin — but with this much smoke, it’s not surprising there were questions about a fire.
- arcticbull 6y ago> Five people went to prison. - 34 indicted. - 7 pled guilty. - 5 went to prison. So far. If this was a witch hunt, we found us a coven. [1] https://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-guilty-pleas/ https://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-g...
- leereeves 6y agoGuilty pleas aren't necessarily evidence of guilt. Innocent people can be coerced. Coercive Plea Bargaining Has Poisoned the Criminal Justice System. https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/coercive-plea-bargaining-has-poisoned-the-criminal-justice-system-its-time-to-suck-the-venom-out/ https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/coercive-plea-...
- loopz 6y agoThis is a poor argument for white collar crimes.
- leereeves 6y agoWhy? There are many ways prosecutors can coerce people, and not all of them involve money.
- loopz 6y agoIt's hypothetical whataboutism vs the report findings.
- leereeves 6y agoIt's not hypothetical. General Flynn alleged that prosecutors threatened to prosecute his son if he didn't plead guilty. Those allegations are unproven, but that is how our justice system usually works. > Former prosecutors say such hardball tactics are routine in criminal cases. > “I can say with great confidence that kind of pressure is pretty common,” said Shanlon Wu, a former federal prosecutor who now is a defense attorney.[1] And it is true that Flynn's son was a "subject" of the investigation[2], then General Flynn pled guilty, then nothing happened to his son. Even before Flynn made the allegations, NPR said: "[the plea deal] also apparently avoided prospective charges for Flynn's son."[3] 1: https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-30/flynn-still-fights-for-exoneration-two-years-after-pleading-guilty https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-30/flynn-stil... 2: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-s-son-subject-federal-russia-probe-n800741 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-s-son-subjec... 3: https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/852582068/mike-flynn-pleaded-guilty-why-is-the-justice-department-dropping-the-charges https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/852582068/mike-flynn-pleaded-...
- andreskytt 6y agoSee, that’s another way of disconnecting reality from your wishes. In most countries, determining guilt is the prerogative of the justice system as it used to be in the US. But that has been corrupted. Belief, that there was a witch hunt exceeds the belief, that the justice system is just. Which gives short-term gains for whoever benefits from the former while the latter undermines the society long term. I have no idea, who did what, but I know a country or two, that is strategically interested in undermining the US democracy in the long run.