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Are you implying only one party engages in this? I could list many conspiracies peddled by the other party but I would be flagged/banned for most. Some less co

Are you implying only one party engages in this? I could list many conspiracies peddled by the other party but I would be flagged/banned for most. Some less controversial ones might be Trump being elected due to mysterious Russians, and Trump being a secret White Supremacist hiding dog whistles in every other tweet.

anonuser123456 6y ago
"Trump being elected due to mysterious Russians" The FBI and Mueller special counsel report specifically called out an anti-Clinton campaign by the GRU. No one argues that Trump was elected by Russians, only that they did an awful lot to air Clinton's dirty laundry. Seems a tad different than 'Hillary Clinton runs a child sex ring in a pizza parlor basement'. But maybe that's just my liberal bias speaking.
- underseacables 6y ago
  I do. I argue he was not, but if you believe in the Russians, surely you beliefs the Chinese elected Biden. Just because you disagree doesn’t make it a conspiracy theory, only your insignificant disagreement.
pavlov 6y ago
I don’t remember Hillary Clinton calling Trump’s election fake in Nov 2016 (she conceded the morning after Election Day). There were no calls from Obama asking state legislators to overturn the results, or for VP Biden to just ignore state results and pick electors himself in Jan 2017 (which is what many Republicans are asking Pence to do next week). Later there was an investigation into Russian election interference authorized by Trump’s own Attorney General. Five people went to prison. That’s not a conspiracy theory. Speculation about Trump’s motives was fueled by his own extremely bizarre behavior towards Russia. In the infamous Helsinki meeting, he first destroyed interpreter’s notes to hide what was discussed, then took Putin’s side against the American intelligence community. My own feeling is that he did all this simply out of a weird admiration for Putin — but with this much smoke, it’s not surprising there were questions about a fire.
- arcticbull 6y ago
  > Five people went to prison. - 34 indicted. - 7 pled guilty. - 5 went to prison. So far. If this was a witch hunt, we found us a coven. [1] https://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-guilty-pleas/ https://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-g...
  - leereeves 6y ago
    Guilty pleas aren't necessarily evidence of guilt. Innocent people can be coerced. Coercive Plea Bargaining Has Poisoned the Criminal Justice System. https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/coercive-plea-bargaining-has-poisoned-the-criminal-justice-system-its-time-to-suck-the-venom-out/ https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/coercive-plea-...
    - loopz 6y ago
      This is a poor argument for white collar crimes.
      - leereeves 6y ago
        Why? There are many ways prosecutors can coerce people, and not all of them involve money.
        loopz 6y ago
        It's hypothetical whataboutism vs the report findings.
        leereeves 6y ago
        It's not hypothetical. General Flynn alleged that prosecutors threatened to prosecute his son if he didn't plead guilty. Those allegations are unproven, but that is how our justice system usually works. > Former prosecutors say such hardball tactics are routine in criminal cases. > “I can say with great confidence that kind of pressure is pretty common,” said Shanlon Wu, a former federal prosecutor who now is a defense attorney.[1] And it is true that Flynn's son was a "subject" of the investigation[2], then General Flynn pled guilty, then nothing happened to his son. Even before Flynn made the allegations, NPR said: "[the plea deal] also apparently avoided prospective charges for Flynn's son."[3] 1: https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-30/flynn-still-fights-for-exoneration-two-years-after-pleading-guilty https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-30/flynn-stil... 2: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-s-son-subject-federal-russia-probe-n800741 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-s-son-subjec... 3: https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/852582068/mike-flynn-pleaded-guilty-why-is-the-justice-department-dropping-the-charges https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/852582068/mike-flynn-pleaded-...
arcticbull 6y ago
Only one party ran and had elected a QAnon senator. That's kind of a QED.
- Disingenius 6y ago
  Only one party elected someone who thought putting too many soldiers in Guam would tip the island over.
  - arcticbull 6y ago
    [citation needed]

anonuser123456 6y ago

"Trump being elected due to mysterious Russians" The FBI and Mueller special counsel report specifically called out an anti-Clinton campaign by the GRU. No one argues that Trump was elected by Russians, only that they did an awful lot to air Clinton's dirty laundry. Seems a tad different than 'Hillary Clinton runs a child sex ring in a pizza parlor basement'. But maybe that's just my liberal bias speaking.

underseacables 6y ago
I do. I argue he was not, but if you believe in the Russians, surely you beliefs the Chinese elected Biden. Just because you disagree doesn’t make it a conspiracy theory, only your insignificant disagreement.

pavlov 6y ago

I don’t remember Hillary Clinton calling Trump’s election fake in Nov 2016 (she conceded the morning after Election Day). There were no calls from Obama asking state legislators to overturn the results, or for VP Biden to just ignore state results and pick electors himself in Jan 2017 (which is what many Republicans are asking Pence to do next week). Later there was an investigation into Russian election interference authorized by Trump’s own Attorney General. Five people went to prison. That’s not a conspiracy theory. Speculation about Trump’s motives was fueled by his own extremely bizarre behavior towards Russia. In the infamous Helsinki meeting, he first destroyed interpreter’s notes to hide what was discussed, then took Putin’s side against the American intelligence community. My own feeling is that he did all this simply out of a weird admiration for Putin — but with this much smoke, it’s not surprising there were questions about a fire.

arcticbull 6y ago
> Five people went to prison. - 34 indicted. - 7 pled guilty. - 5 went to prison. So far. If this was a witch hunt, we found us a coven. [1] https://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-guilty-pleas/ https://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-g...
- leereeves 6y ago
  Guilty pleas aren't necessarily evidence of guilt. Innocent people can be coerced. Coercive Plea Bargaining Has Poisoned the Criminal Justice System. https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/coercive-plea-bargaining-has-poisoned-the-criminal-justice-system-its-time-to-suck-the-venom-out/ https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/coercive-plea-...
  - loopz 6y ago
    This is a poor argument for white collar crimes.
    - leereeves 6y ago
      Why? There are many ways prosecutors can coerce people, and not all of them involve money.
      - loopz 6y ago
        It's hypothetical whataboutism vs the report findings.
        leereeves 6y ago
        It's not hypothetical. General Flynn alleged that prosecutors threatened to prosecute his son if he didn't plead guilty. Those allegations are unproven, but that is how our justice system usually works. > Former prosecutors say such hardball tactics are routine in criminal cases. > “I can say with great confidence that kind of pressure is pretty common,” said Shanlon Wu, a former federal prosecutor who now is a defense attorney.[1] And it is true that Flynn's son was a "subject" of the investigation[2], then General Flynn pled guilty, then nothing happened to his son. Even before Flynn made the allegations, NPR said: "[the plea deal] also apparently avoided prospective charges for Flynn's son."[3] 1: https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-30/flynn-still-fights-for-exoneration-two-years-after-pleading-guilty https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-30/flynn-stil... 2: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-s-son-subject-federal-russia-probe-n800741 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-s-son-subjec... 3: https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/852582068/mike-flynn-pleaded-guilty-why-is-the-justice-department-dropping-the-charges https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/852582068/mike-flynn-pleaded-...

arcticbull 6y ago

Only one party ran and had elected a QAnon senator. That's kind of a QED.

Disingenius 6y ago
Only one party elected someone who thought putting too many soldiers in Guam would tip the island over.
- arcticbull 6y ago
  [citation needed]