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This is a direct result of the degradation of journalism. When you notice that mass media has a political agenda, you stop trusting them. You look for informat

This is a direct result of the degradation of journalism. When you notice that mass media has a political agenda, you stop trusting them. You look for information somewhere else. If you are not very educated and don't have time to do serious research, you fall for conspiracy theories, since they are the complete opposite of mass media.

rootusrootus 6y ago
> This is a direct result of the degradation of journalism. And, you know, a political ideology that believes the media lies about everything. The current President of the United States himself says it constantly.
- subjectsigma 6y ago
  Yes, Trump says things that are misleading or blatantly untrue. However I don't think mistrust in the MSM is "ideology" associated with one party. Fox News is the MSM for many people and they've given us many reasons to distrust them. Just off the top of my head: * WaPo and NYT lied about WMDs and Iraq. * NYT lied about NSA spying programs in 2005. Snowden explicitly said he gave his leaks to a British organization because US news could not be trusted. * Rolling Stone misrepresented or omitted testimonies in 'A Rape on Campus'. * CNN said repeatedly that Clinton was polling higher than Trump and there was absolutely no way he was going to win. CNN also blacked out Yang and Sanders coverage and got flak for it. CNN also retracted at least one story on Trump, i cant remember what it was about but probably Russia. * HuffPo has retracted a racist article after it was revealed the author had faked their identity, and editors made no attempt to verify whether or not their credentials were real. * And of course everyone is familiar with the evils of 'new media' companies like Facebook and YouTube, from spreading harmful content to children, unfairly enforcing policies, spreading misinformation, and harmful ads. I'm sure I could come up with more. Why should I trust them? What have these organizations done to prove to the public they are changing? Why does distrusting them make me some sort of alt-right crazy? It seems like the media has the burden of proof, not me. From where I stand, the "political ideology" is a reaction to a sleazy, corrupt, and dying media industry.
  - arcticbull 6y ago
    You're cherry-picking a few specific examples on the Democratic side, and comparing it to a party that literally ran - and had elected - a QAnon senator [1]. This whataboutism and false equivalency is extremely toxic. Are dems perfect? Lord no. Does the MSM make mistakes? Absolutely. Is one side actively engaged in a war on truth? Yeah, kinda. > However I don't think mistrust in the MSM is "ideology" associated with one party. Fox News is the MSM for many people and they've given us many reasons to distrust them. I watch an awful lot of Fox, and let me assure you, they positioned themselves very much outside the mainstream media. They railed against the MSM non-stop for 4+ years by name. Unfortunately, they were hoisted by their own petard when they called Arizona for Biden. I was watching it live, and I nearly spat out my whiskey. They got hucked into the MSM bin by Trump supporters and left for dead on November 3, 2020, around 6PM PST. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/03/us/politics/qanon-candidates-marjorie-taylor-greene.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/03/us/politics/qanon-candida...
    - subjectsigma 6y ago
      > This whataboutism and false equivalency is extremely toxic. It's not whataboutism, I never excused Trump nor the Republicans. They should be called out on their bullshit. If anything, responding to a comment solely about things the media has done with Senate election results is whataboutism. False equivalency... Eh, maybe. The eye-for-an-eye tallying of sins never goes well and I'm not ready to try at the moment. But I will agree that Fox News has its reputation as a cesspool for a reason. > Are dems perfect? Lord no. Does the MSM make mistakes? Absolutely. Is one side actively engaged in a war on truth? Yeah, kinda. This helped me realize the problem. You come just short of saying MSM == Democrats, other news == Republicans. Not a single line of my previous post criticized any Dem politicians, only the MSM. The previous post has at least one example of the MSM working against progressive values. They are not the same thing. If you consider them the same thing, I think that's strange, because I don't think they should be. If there's some evidence that they are the same thing, do share, you'll probably be adding CNN's rap sheet of corruption.
      - arcticbull 6y ago

rootusrootus 6y ago

> This is a direct result of the degradation of journalism. And, you know, a political ideology that believes the media lies about everything. The current President of the United States himself says it constantly.

subjectsigma 6y ago
Yes, Trump says things that are misleading or blatantly untrue. However I don't think mistrust in the MSM is "ideology" associated with one party. Fox News is the MSM for many people and they've given us many reasons to distrust them. Just off the top of my head: * WaPo and NYT lied about WMDs and Iraq. * NYT lied about NSA spying programs in 2005. Snowden explicitly said he gave his leaks to a British organization because US news could not be trusted. * Rolling Stone misrepresented or omitted testimonies in 'A Rape on Campus'. * CNN said repeatedly that Clinton was polling higher than Trump and there was absolutely no way he was going to win. CNN also blacked out Yang and Sanders coverage and got flak for it. CNN also retracted at least one story on Trump, i cant remember what it was about but probably Russia. * HuffPo has retracted a racist article after it was revealed the author had faked their identity, and editors made no attempt to verify whether or not their credentials were real. * And of course everyone is familiar with the evils of 'new media' companies like Facebook and YouTube, from spreading harmful content to children, unfairly enforcing policies, spreading misinformation, and harmful ads. I'm sure I could come up with more. Why should I trust them? What have these organizations done to prove to the public they are changing? Why does distrusting them make me some sort of alt-right crazy? It seems like the media has the burden of proof, not me. From where I stand, the "political ideology" is a reaction to a sleazy, corrupt, and dying media industry.
- arcticbull 6y ago
  You're cherry-picking a few specific examples on the Democratic side, and comparing it to a party that literally ran - and had elected - a QAnon senator [1]. This whataboutism and false equivalency is extremely toxic. Are dems perfect? Lord no. Does the MSM make mistakes? Absolutely. Is one side actively engaged in a war on truth? Yeah, kinda. > However I don't think mistrust in the MSM is "ideology" associated with one party. Fox News is the MSM for many people and they've given us many reasons to distrust them. I watch an awful lot of Fox, and let me assure you, they positioned themselves very much outside the mainstream media. They railed against the MSM non-stop for 4+ years by name. Unfortunately, they were hoisted by their own petard when they called Arizona for Biden. I was watching it live, and I nearly spat out my whiskey. They got hucked into the MSM bin by Trump supporters and left for dead on November 3, 2020, around 6PM PST. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/03/us/politics/qanon-candidates-marjorie-taylor-greene.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/03/us/politics/qanon-candida...
  - subjectsigma 6y ago
    > This whataboutism and false equivalency is extremely toxic. It's not whataboutism, I never excused Trump nor the Republicans. They should be called out on their bullshit. If anything, responding to a comment solely about things the media has done with Senate election results is whataboutism. False equivalency... Eh, maybe. The eye-for-an-eye tallying of sins never goes well and I'm not ready to try at the moment. But I will agree that Fox News has its reputation as a cesspool for a reason. > Are dems perfect? Lord no. Does the MSM make mistakes? Absolutely. Is one side actively engaged in a war on truth? Yeah, kinda. This helped me realize the problem. You come just short of saying MSM == Democrats, other news == Republicans. Not a single line of my previous post criticized any Dem politicians, only the MSM. The previous post has at least one example of the MSM working against progressive values. They are not the same thing. If you consider them the same thing, I think that's strange, because I don't think they should be. If there's some evidence that they are the same thing, do share, you'll probably be adding CNN's rap sheet of corruption.
    - arcticbull 6y ago