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Only 72% of Americans trust that their country landed on the Moon in 1969. The Republican Party ought to take a long, hard look at where their campaign against

by pavlov 6y ago

Only 72% of Americans trust that their country landed on the Moon in 1969. The Republican Party ought to take a long, hard look at where their campaign against facts is leading them. It’s not even the party of Nixon anymore.

HuwytNashi_010 6y ago
Was there really any need to single out one party? I could list a bunch of conspiracies that are accepted truths among most proponents of the other party, but I'll be flagged and banned.
s5300 6y ago
What do you mean They know very well where they've wanted it to lead. Do you think otherwise?
- loopz 6y ago
  So dictatorship was the rightist plan all along then?
  - danaris 6y ago
    Perhaps not the plan, per se, but when your entire ideology relies on falsehoods (like trickle-down economics, and the genetic superiority of white men over everyone else), when you take that to its logical conclusion you must employ authoritarian methods to suppress the reality that proves you're full of bullshit.
    - loopz 6y ago
      Not all of it is bullshit, but my hope is for people to call out the bad motivations and behaviour, in politics and workplace alike. Force them to discuss real issues rather than tribalism. The identity politics has exactly the same problem, of losing the universal principles and broader perspectives.
HNCensorship001 6y ago
Are you implying only one party engages in this? I could list many conspiracies peddled by the other party but I would be flagged/banned for most. Some less controversial ones might be Trump being elected due to mysterious Russians, and Trump being a secret White Supremacist hiding dog whistles in every other tweet.
- anonuser123456 6y ago
  "Trump being elected due to mysterious Russians" The FBI and Mueller special counsel report specifically called out an anti-Clinton campaign by the GRU. No one argues that Trump was elected by Russians, only that they did an awful lot to air Clinton's dirty laundry. Seems a tad different than 'Hillary Clinton runs a child sex ring in a pizza parlor basement'. But maybe that's just my liberal bias speaking.
  - underseacables 6y ago
    I do. I argue he was not, but if you believe in the Russians, surely you beliefs the Chinese elected Biden. Just because you disagree doesn’t make it a conspiracy theory, only your insignificant disagreement.
- pavlov 6y ago
  I don’t remember Hillary Clinton calling Trump’s election fake in Nov 2016 (she conceded the morning after Election Day). There were no calls from Obama asking state legislators to overturn the results, or for VP Biden to just ignore state results and pick electors himself in Jan 2017 (which is what many Republicans are asking Pence to do next week). Later there was an investigation into Russian election interference authorized by Trump’s own Attorney General. Five people went to prison. That’s not a conspiracy theory. Speculation about Trump’s motives was fueled by his own extremely bizarre behavior towards Russia. In the infamous Helsinki meeting, he first destroyed interpreter’s notes to hide what was discussed, then took Putin’s side against the American intelligence community. My own feeling is that he did all this simply out of a weird admiration for Putin — but with this much smoke, it’s not surprising there were questions about a fire.
underseacables 6y ago
One has nothing to do with the other, but you misspelled the Democrat Party.
- loopz 6y ago
  Rightism and stupid are very well correlated and aligned.
- myWindoonn 6y ago
  This is DARVO [0]. You're attempting to copy the fascism of the Republicans onto the Democrats. This might have worked better if it weren't for the Republicans' neglect over the past executive term; with hundreds of thousands of Americans dead or rioting because they're tired of starving and being shot, it is increasingly obvious that the Republicans are incapable of leading. Neoliberalism is terrible, yeah, but your conflation of neoliberalism with neoconservatism is puerile and unhelpful. (And your posting history makes it clear that, because you're wealthy, you don't really give a shit about other people.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO
  - tha0xa 6y ago
    This is projection. You're projecting about the other side committing DARVO. Typical leftist.

by pavlov 6y ago

HuwytNashi_010 6y ago

Was there really any need to single out one party? I could list a bunch of conspiracies that are accepted truths among most proponents of the other party, but I'll be flagged and banned.

s5300 6y ago

What do you mean They know very well where they've wanted it to lead. Do you think otherwise?

loopz 6y ago
So dictatorship was the rightist plan all along then?
- danaris 6y ago
  Perhaps not the plan, per se, but when your entire ideology relies on falsehoods (like trickle-down economics, and the genetic superiority of white men over everyone else), when you take that to its logical conclusion you must employ authoritarian methods to suppress the reality that proves you're full of bullshit.
  - loopz 6y ago
    Not all of it is bullshit, but my hope is for people to call out the bad motivations and behaviour, in politics and workplace alike. Force them to discuss real issues rather than tribalism. The identity politics has exactly the same problem, of losing the universal principles and broader perspectives.

HNCensorship001 6y ago

Are you implying only one party engages in this? I could list many conspiracies peddled by the other party but I would be flagged/banned for most. Some less controversial ones might be Trump being elected due to mysterious Russians, and Trump being a secret White Supremacist hiding dog whistles in every other tweet.

anonuser123456 6y ago
"Trump being elected due to mysterious Russians" The FBI and Mueller special counsel report specifically called out an anti-Clinton campaign by the GRU. No one argues that Trump was elected by Russians, only that they did an awful lot to air Clinton's dirty laundry. Seems a tad different than 'Hillary Clinton runs a child sex ring in a pizza parlor basement'. But maybe that's just my liberal bias speaking.
- underseacables 6y ago
  I do. I argue he was not, but if you believe in the Russians, surely you beliefs the Chinese elected Biden. Just because you disagree doesn’t make it a conspiracy theory, only your insignificant disagreement.
pavlov 6y ago
I don’t remember Hillary Clinton calling Trump’s election fake in Nov 2016 (she conceded the morning after Election Day). There were no calls from Obama asking state legislators to overturn the results, or for VP Biden to just ignore state results and pick electors himself in Jan 2017 (which is what many Republicans are asking Pence to do next week). Later there was an investigation into Russian election interference authorized by Trump’s own Attorney General. Five people went to prison. That’s not a conspiracy theory. Speculation about Trump’s motives was fueled by his own extremely bizarre behavior towards Russia. In the infamous Helsinki meeting, he first destroyed interpreter’s notes to hide what was discussed, then took Putin’s side against the American intelligence community. My own feeling is that he did all this simply out of a weird admiration for Putin — but with this much smoke, it’s not surprising there were questions about a fire.

underseacables 6y ago

One has nothing to do with the other, but you misspelled the Democrat Party.

loopz 6y ago
Rightism and stupid are very well correlated and aligned.
myWindoonn 6y ago
This is DARVO [0]. You're attempting to copy the fascism of the Republicans onto the Democrats. This might have worked better if it weren't for the Republicans' neglect over the past executive term; with hundreds of thousands of Americans dead or rioting because they're tired of starving and being shot, it is increasingly obvious that the Republicans are incapable of leading. Neoliberalism is terrible, yeah, but your conflation of neoliberalism with neoconservatism is puerile and unhelpful. (And your posting history makes it clear that, because you're wealthy, you don't really give a shit about other people.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO
- tha0xa 6y ago
  This is projection. You're projecting about the other side committing DARVO. Typical leftist.