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From the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics[0]: > Epidemiologists are public health professionals who investigate patterns and causes of disease and injury in hum

From the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics[0]: > Epidemiologists are public health professionals who investigate patterns and causes of disease and injury in humans. They seek to reduce the risk and occurrence of negative health outcomes through research, community education and health policy. So to cavalierly categorize epidemiologists as "more usually a bureaucrat" speaks to a myopic understanding of what value they provide. 0 - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/life-physical-and-social-science/epidemiologists.htm#tab-2 https://www.bls.gov/ooh/life-physical-and-social-science/epi...

barry-cotter 6y ago
You’re arguing with a connotation when the denotation is true. Most epidemiologists are bureaucrats not scientists. They don’t do research and probably can’t, certainly not at the level of someone who has done a Ph.D. Also, let’s be honest. The FDA and CDC have been of negative value in the US, on net, during the current pandemic. Lying about masks, lying about the threshold needed for herd immunity, prosecuting distilleries for making alcohol for disinfectant, keeping KN95 masks from being allowed for months, not allowing human challenge trials... The list goes on.
- AdieuToLogic 6y ago
  > Most epidemiologists are bureaucrats not scientists. They don’t do research and probably can’t ... Please reference the definition quoted and provided by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Regarding the rest of your post, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. And I am entitled to disagree.
  - barry-cotter 6y ago
    A public health professional who does health policy and community outreach is a bureaucrat, not a scientist. The subset of epidemiologists who do research are scientists, whether they have a Ph.D. or somehow got into it without ever having graduated high school. Some of the bureaucrats are also scientists but most aren’t.
    - AdieuToLogic 6y ago
      > A public health professional who does health policy and community outreach is a bureaucrat, not a scientist. Who are epidemiologists? When disease outbreaks or other threats emerge, epidemiologists are on the scene to investigate. Often called "Disease Detectives", epidemiologists search for the cause of disease, identify people who are at risk, determine how to control or stop the spread or prevent it from happening again. Physicians, veterinarians, scientists, and other health professionals often train to be "Disease Detectives". source: https://www.cdc.gov/careerpaths/k12teacherroadmap/epidemiologists.html https://www.cdc.gov/careerpaths/k12teacherroadmap/epidemiolo... See also: Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS) (https://www.cdc.gov/eis/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/eis/index.html) What EIS Officers Do EIS officers serve on the front lines of public health, protecting Americans and the global community, while training under the guidance of seasoned mentors. When disease outbreaks or other public health threats emerge, EIS officers investigate, identify the cause, rapidly implement control measures, and collect evidence to recommend preventive actions. source: https://www.cdc.gov/eis/what-eis-officers-do/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/eis/what-eis-officers-do/index.html
buescher 6y ago
C.f. "health physicist"

barry-cotter 6y ago

You’re arguing with a connotation when the denotation is true. Most epidemiologists are bureaucrats not scientists. They don’t do research and probably can’t, certainly not at the level of someone who has done a Ph.D. Also, let’s be honest. The FDA and CDC have been of negative value in the US, on net, during the current pandemic. Lying about masks, lying about the threshold needed for herd immunity, prosecuting distilleries for making alcohol for disinfectant, keeping KN95 masks from being allowed for months, not allowing human challenge trials... The list goes on.

AdieuToLogic 6y ago
> Most epidemiologists are bureaucrats not scientists. They don’t do research and probably can’t ... Please reference the definition quoted and provided by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Regarding the rest of your post, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. And I am entitled to disagree.
- barry-cotter 6y ago
  A public health professional who does health policy and community outreach is a bureaucrat, not a scientist. The subset of epidemiologists who do research are scientists, whether they have a Ph.D. or somehow got into it without ever having graduated high school. Some of the bureaucrats are also scientists but most aren’t.
  - AdieuToLogic 6y ago
    > A public health professional who does health policy and community outreach is a bureaucrat, not a scientist. Who are epidemiologists? When disease outbreaks or other threats emerge, epidemiologists are on the scene to investigate. Often called "Disease Detectives", epidemiologists search for the cause of disease, identify people who are at risk, determine how to control or stop the spread or prevent it from happening again. Physicians, veterinarians, scientists, and other health professionals often train to be "Disease Detectives". source: https://www.cdc.gov/careerpaths/k12teacherroadmap/epidemiologists.html https://www.cdc.gov/careerpaths/k12teacherroadmap/epidemiolo... See also: Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS) (https://www.cdc.gov/eis/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/eis/index.html) What EIS Officers Do EIS officers serve on the front lines of public health, protecting Americans and the global community, while training under the guidance of seasoned mentors. When disease outbreaks or other public health threats emerge, EIS officers investigate, identify the cause, rapidly implement control measures, and collect evidence to recommend preventive actions. source: https://www.cdc.gov/eis/what-eis-officers-do/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/eis/what-eis-officers-do/index.html

buescher 6y ago

C.f. "health physicist"