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Minimum wage by ruins a lot of poor young people ability to gain skills. And everytime its raise poor people especially poor young boys with no skills take the

Minimum wage by ruins a lot of poor young people ability to gain skills. And everytime its raise poor people especially poor young boys with no skills take the brunt of the pain.

fhsm 6y ago
All of this was familiar to me except the sex effect. Why are males disproportionately impacted?
- alisonkisk 6y ago
  Women can be supported by men in exchange for cohabitation, without minimum wage concerns.
- blix 6y ago
  One argument I've heard is that women tend to do better at men at picking up 'soft skills,' i.e. interacting with other people, while men tend to be better at physical labor. New low-skill jobs tend to focus on soft skills, while jobs requiring physical labor are disappearing. It's unclear how much of this shift is driven by the minimum wage, but certianly it incentivizes automation/outsourcing/illegal labor, which tend to disproportionately affect physical jobs. This leaves poor, uneducated men pretty vulnerable. I don't have any sources on hand, but there was a nice feature in the Economist about this a year or two ago.
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- DeonPenny 6y ago
  I heard its cause 1 boys do worse in school because they more disagreeable so learning on the job becomes more important. And 2 men do 80% of the trade jobs which on the job training or being comfortable in job environment before hand is a lot more important. But yeh boys unemployement jumps when minimum wage is increase typically. And increases criminal behavior based on some studies. https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/teenjobless.png?x88519 https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/teenjobless.p...
alisonkisk 6y ago
What job pays minimum wage and teaches a skill and isn't exempt via an education exemption?
- dantheman 6y ago
  There are skills that all jobs teach - showing up to work on time, being reliable, etc.
  - watwut 6y ago
    If the school did not taught you that, why would the job do?
    - TeMPOraL 6y ago
      Because sooner or later everyone realizes that - with the exception of people aiming for education grants or university eduction - school is an artificial, self-contained environment and things that happen there have little consequence. When you stop caring whether you get C or E on anything, the school loses its power to teach you punctuality and reliability.
      - oblio 6y ago
        Well, normally the forcing function for school, if school itself doesn't work, is parents. But if your family sucks... School won't save you :-(
        TeMPOraL 6y ago
        Indeed. And unfortunately, quite a lot of families are dysfunctional, for various complicated reasons. When parents offload parenting to schools, while schools expect kids to be parented at home... kids parent themselves.
      - watwut 6y ago
        Punctuality does not really make difference between C and E. In my experience, people who were not at time in school, were not at time in their jobs. And either they found a job where it did not matter or were in constant trouble because of it or got fired. Generally, they did not acquired puntuality nor precision. The lack of either was result of general attitude toward everything around and it did not magically changed after school.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> Minimum wage by ruins a lot of poor young people ability to gain skills. There are some jobs that don't get done because of minimum wage, but the claim you make is much stronger and really demands some evidence. > And everytime its raise poor people especially poor young boys with no skills take the brunt of the pain. So you are saying that the long stretches where real minimum wage erodes are good things for “poor young boys”? Because I don't think there are any measures of the welfare of that group that support either that necessary corollary or your specific claim.
smileysteve 6y ago
No, 16 year olds need wages too! We have the most student loan debt ever; and the highest tuition ever; but somehow 1990s wages are good for people saving for college? (Or if not college, life)

Minimum wage by ruins a lot of poor young people ability to gain skills. And everytime its raise poor people especially poor young boys with no skills take the brunt of the pain.

fhsm 6y ago

All of this was familiar to me except the sex effect. Why are males disproportionately impacted?

alisonkisk 6y ago
Women can be supported by men in exchange for cohabitation, without minimum wage concerns.
blix 6y ago
One argument I've heard is that women tend to do better at men at picking up 'soft skills,' i.e. interacting with other people, while men tend to be better at physical labor. New low-skill jobs tend to focus on soft skills, while jobs requiring physical labor are disappearing. It's unclear how much of this shift is driven by the minimum wage, but certianly it incentivizes automation/outsourcing/illegal labor, which tend to disproportionately affect physical jobs. This leaves poor, uneducated men pretty vulnerable. I don't have any sources on hand, but there was a nice feature in the Economist about this a year or two ago.
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DeonPenny 6y ago
I heard its cause 1 boys do worse in school because they more disagreeable so learning on the job becomes more important. And 2 men do 80% of the trade jobs which on the job training or being comfortable in job environment before hand is a lot more important. But yeh boys unemployement jumps when minimum wage is increase typically. And increases criminal behavior based on some studies. https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/teenjobless.png?x88519 https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/teenjobless.p...

alisonkisk 6y ago

What job pays minimum wage and teaches a skill and isn't exempt via an education exemption?

dantheman 6y ago
There are skills that all jobs teach - showing up to work on time, being reliable, etc.
- watwut 6y ago
  If the school did not taught you that, why would the job do?
  - TeMPOraL 6y ago
    Because sooner or later everyone realizes that - with the exception of people aiming for education grants or university eduction - school is an artificial, self-contained environment and things that happen there have little consequence. When you stop caring whether you get C or E on anything, the school loses its power to teach you punctuality and reliability.
    - oblio 6y ago
      Well, normally the forcing function for school, if school itself doesn't work, is parents. But if your family sucks... School won't save you :-(
      - TeMPOraL 6y ago
        Indeed. And unfortunately, quite a lot of families are dysfunctional, for various complicated reasons. When parents offload parenting to schools, while schools expect kids to be parented at home... kids parent themselves.
    - watwut 6y ago
      Punctuality does not really make difference between C and E. In my experience, people who were not at time in school, were not at time in their jobs. And either they found a job where it did not matter or were in constant trouble because of it or got fired. Generally, they did not acquired puntuality nor precision. The lack of either was result of general attitude toward everything around and it did not magically changed after school.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> Minimum wage by ruins a lot of poor young people ability to gain skills. There are some jobs that don't get done because of minimum wage, but the claim you make is much stronger and really demands some evidence. > And everytime its raise poor people especially poor young boys with no skills take the brunt of the pain. So you are saying that the long stretches where real minimum wage erodes are good things for “poor young boys”? Because I don't think there are any measures of the welfare of that group that support either that necessary corollary or your specific claim.

smileysteve 6y ago

No, 16 year olds need wages too! We have the most student loan debt ever; and the highest tuition ever; but somehow 1990s wages are good for people saving for college? (Or if not college, life)