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Go look at Melbourne Australia and come back and say lockdowns don't work. They went from 700/cases a day 30,000 infections. To 0/Day 0 Infections in 16 weeks.

Go look at Melbourne Australia and come back and say lockdowns don't work. They went from 700/cases a day 30,000 infections. To 0/Day 0 Infections in 16 weeks. Everything you said is categorically wrong.

josephcsible 6y ago
Almost(?) every country on Earth had a lockdown at some level. Australia is one of very few that got a good outcome.
- greedo 6y ago
  This is nonsensical. Lockdowns aren't a binary system. The countries that did real lockdowns combined with testing, contact tracing and isolation are doing extremely well. Look at how China is doing today. Or Taiwan. Or New Zealand. Or Australia.
  - josephcsible 6y ago
    If lockdowns that aren't "real" (by the way, saying "real lockdowns" brings the no true Scotsman fallacy to mind) don't work to stop the virus, then why are >95% of the countries in the world doing them, since they still have all the negative side effects but without the benefit?
    - corty 6y ago
      Because politicians are idiots. They think doing some lockdown-light with 50% of the boxes ticked from scientists recommendations will get 50% of the promised effect. And if they pick the right 50% of boxes, it'll also not inconvenience anyone important...
    - squeaky-clean 6y ago
      95% of the countries in the world have not done a lockdown. Stay at home orders are not lockdowns. In the USA we have never had an actual lockdown.
      - josephcsible 6y ago
        Even with your definition, my question stands: if stay-at-home orders aren't lockdowns and so don't stop the virus, why are >95% of the countries in the world doing them, since they still have all the negative side effects but without the benefit?
natrik 6y ago
Australia (Victoria) just got 3 cases and mandated stage 4 measures including limiting gatherings to 15 people. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-31/victoria-coronavirus-nye-restrictions-announced-melbourne-cases/13023362 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-31/victoria-coronavirus-...
- flukus 6y ago
  This is because it was reintroduced by returning Australians due to the rest of the worlds inability to contain it. Now we'll hopefully have some minor restrictions until we get on top of things again because you can effectively contact trace at these levels of transmission. This doesn't prove that lockdowns don't work anymore than a car crash death proves that seat belts don't work.
saalweachter 6y ago
Yeah, but Australians come from a notoriously conformist, law-abiding culture, so we can't extrapolate from them to Western society. /s

josephcsible 6y ago

Almost(?) every country on Earth had a lockdown at some level. Australia is one of very few that got a good outcome.

greedo 6y ago
This is nonsensical. Lockdowns aren't a binary system. The countries that did real lockdowns combined with testing, contact tracing and isolation are doing extremely well. Look at how China is doing today. Or Taiwan. Or New Zealand. Or Australia.
- josephcsible 6y ago
  If lockdowns that aren't "real" (by the way, saying "real lockdowns" brings the no true Scotsman fallacy to mind) don't work to stop the virus, then why are >95% of the countries in the world doing them, since they still have all the negative side effects but without the benefit?
  - corty 6y ago
    Because politicians are idiots. They think doing some lockdown-light with 50% of the boxes ticked from scientists recommendations will get 50% of the promised effect. And if they pick the right 50% of boxes, it'll also not inconvenience anyone important...
  - squeaky-clean 6y ago
    95% of the countries in the world have not done a lockdown. Stay at home orders are not lockdowns. In the USA we have never had an actual lockdown.
    - josephcsible 6y ago
      Even with your definition, my question stands: if stay-at-home orders aren't lockdowns and so don't stop the virus, why are >95% of the countries in the world doing them, since they still have all the negative side effects but without the benefit?

natrik 6y ago

Australia (Victoria) just got 3 cases and mandated stage 4 measures including limiting gatherings to 15 people. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-31/victoria-coronavirus-nye-restrictions-announced-melbourne-cases/13023362 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-31/victoria-coronavirus-...

flukus 6y ago
This is because it was reintroduced by returning Australians due to the rest of the worlds inability to contain it. Now we'll hopefully have some minor restrictions until we get on top of things again because you can effectively contact trace at these levels of transmission. This doesn't prove that lockdowns don't work anymore than a car crash death proves that seat belts don't work.

saalweachter 6y ago

Yeah, but Australians come from a notoriously conformist, law-abiding culture, so we can't extrapolate from them to Western society. /s