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I don't even think it needs to be free. Many US States provide a State ID for $20~$50. Even if you don't drive, it's very difficult to survive without at least

I don't even think it needs to be free. Many US States provide a State ID for $20~$50. Even if you don't drive, it's very difficult to survive without at least a State ID (just to buy alcohol or for anything that needs legal identification ... like a job or I-9 form). The arguments against requiring voter ID are silly now. Yes, at one time reading tests were required to vote in the Jim Crow era, and they were intentional to prevent blacks from voting. But we've come a long way since then. Asking someone to set aside one day and $30 to get an ID, in order to vote, should NOT be considered an unnecessary hardship. It's a bare minimum effort if you want to vote. Some will say, "Well there are all these poor disenfranchised people who can't afford a day off work or the $30 to get an ID!" ... You've gotta be kidding me. Unless they're working under the table, how do they even have a job without ID? We cannot keep lowering the bar. My best friend, a friend from Ecuador, talked about how some of the worst leaders in South and Central America worked on lowering voting ages down to 16 and 17, because they knew it was way more easier to influence younger people. It's straight up corruption. State issued ID should be required to vote, period. This entire election cycle is a mess because of massive, unsolicited ballots with no chain of custody mailed out to dead people and people who have left their states. It's insane that all of Big Tech and US media is claiming there is no proof at all of fraud, when countless people are testifying in every state under oath. Just today in Georgia, people brought videos showing trucks shredding ballots. When they called the police, and even went to the Sherif, they were told law enforcement was specifically ordered not to send anyone to any voting precincts. There is not excuse to not require Voter ID except to allow more fraud.

jariel 6y ago
" This entire election cycle is a mess" To be clear - the election is not a mess. Even though we don't have 'state ID' the processes overall are legit on the whole. There is no systematic fraud. It appears as a mess because of the messaging of the President. That said: there are obviously antiquated and non-standardized problems - literally just yesterday, Stacey Abrahams sister, a Georgia Judge, had to rule on ballots being thrown out. It's politicized. So having ID would not so much make elections more fair (they are effectively fair), but it would give more confidence in elections. Also - the genie may be out of the bottle and we may be in a new era where a) people try to actually cheat and b) losers of elections refuse to concede based on lies. So it might be a good time to modernize with ID, and it would help with those problems. .... It 'needs to be free' because the some will otherwise believe it's voter suppression. Having a $10 payment would actually theoretically suppress some people from voting. In practice, I don't think that would be the case, but it's enough to blow it up. Homeless people are still 'citizens' - and 'citizenship' is not based on whether or not you have $10. Which is a fair argument (even through pragmatically a side show, because you need to have an address to vote already today). Citizenship is a right not a privilege ... so just make it free. Politically, they could make it an extension of SS - it's just 'SS with a photo' kind of thing.
- nelsonenzo 6y ago
  considering we have $36B that we can afford to send to Nigeria, I think we could just make the ID free. Certainly we have all contributed at least $10 to the tax coffers at some point above 18.
- djsumdog 6y ago
  > There is no systematic fraud. > It appears as a mess because of the messaging of the President. We have GOP observers being thrown out of all of the critical election sites during the counting. We have tons of unsolicited ballots with no chain of custody. We have tons of confirmed cases of dead people voting, and women having votes case under maiden names. There is unmistakable, wide spread, voting irregularity. This isn't just the messaging of the president, this is a corrupt media that is on the side of establishment Democrats and Republicans that is clearly feeding a pure bullshit narrative to anyone willing to dull their senses, turn off all sources except the official industry standard media (Which got weapons of mass destruction wrong, which got Syria wrong, and which has a historic record of getting nearly everything wrong). If you stop listening to the various Ministries of Truth (both private and government) the entire idea there was "no election fraud" falls apart. The voting machines were/are a red haring. The real issue has always been the massive amounts of ballots with no chain of custody.
  - ric2b 6y ago
    The courts have looked at these allegations and the actual evidence is slim to none, and far from being about a big enough number of votes to change the result of the election, it's not even enough to change the result in one state.
  - ThePowerOfFuet 6y ago
    [citation needed]
  - jariel 6y ago
    This is not true, and the and a good example of conspiratorial rationalization. Why doesn't Mike Pence, the VP back your claims? Are you saying you have more information that him? Why don't any GOP Senators? Judges? Consider if 'bad elections' claims had any merit whatsoever, the real GOP apparatus would be running full tilt at the problem. The Supreme Court would practically be inviting cases. Arguing that 'irregularities exist' is not an argument - because we know they exist, what matters is the magnitude and systematic efforts. The 'conspiratorial argument' falls apart immediately under any scrutiny - and there has been a lot of scrutiny. So we have a problem with giving out money, and appearance of problems in voting, maybe we can have 'voter ID' and get around some of the legitimacy/privacy issues. But the elections are effectively fair. Please try to understand that this is an issue of public communications and conspiratorial logic, and not reality. The 'ministries of truth' have considerably more integrity - especially as a whole - then
sneeze-slayer 6y ago
Huh? There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud. Just because someone testifies that they saw something doesn't prove it. It's just hearsay. Please stop spreading disinformation. Many people working minimum wage jobs don't have the ability to take an entire day off and spend the money to deal with the nightmare that is the DMV. Just because they aren't a fancy software developer doesn't mean that there vote shouldn't count equally as someone who can afford to take the day off. Regarding needing a state ID to work, you can read on UCSIS' website what is required. One can use things like school IDs, voter registration, birth certificate, and SSA card. So, no, if you don't have a state ID it does not mean that you are working under the table. In reality, there are tons of reasons why we shouldn't require more strict voter ID laws.

jariel 6y ago

" This entire election cycle is a mess" To be clear - the election is not a mess. Even though we don't have 'state ID' the processes overall are legit on the whole. There is no systematic fraud. It appears as a mess because of the messaging of the President. That said: there are obviously antiquated and non-standardized problems - literally just yesterday, Stacey Abrahams sister, a Georgia Judge, had to rule on ballots being thrown out. It's politicized. So having ID would not so much make elections more fair (they are effectively fair), but it would give more confidence in elections. Also - the genie may be out of the bottle and we may be in a new era where a) people try to actually cheat and b) losers of elections refuse to concede based on lies. So it might be a good time to modernize with ID, and it would help with those problems. .... It 'needs to be free' because the some will otherwise believe it's voter suppression. Having a $10 payment would actually theoretically suppress some people from voting. In practice, I don't think that would be the case, but it's enough to blow it up. Homeless people are still 'citizens' - and 'citizenship' is not based on whether or not you have $10. Which is a fair argument (even through pragmatically a side show, because you need to have an address to vote already today). Citizenship is a right not a privilege ... so just make it free. Politically, they could make it an extension of SS - it's just 'SS with a photo' kind of thing.

nelsonenzo 6y ago
considering we have $36B that we can afford to send to Nigeria, I think we could just make the ID free. Certainly we have all contributed at least $10 to the tax coffers at some point above 18.
djsumdog 6y ago
> There is no systematic fraud. > It appears as a mess because of the messaging of the President. We have GOP observers being thrown out of all of the critical election sites during the counting. We have tons of unsolicited ballots with no chain of custody. We have tons of confirmed cases of dead people voting, and women having votes case under maiden names. There is unmistakable, wide spread, voting irregularity. This isn't just the messaging of the president, this is a corrupt media that is on the side of establishment Democrats and Republicans that is clearly feeding a pure bullshit narrative to anyone willing to dull their senses, turn off all sources except the official industry standard media (Which got weapons of mass destruction wrong, which got Syria wrong, and which has a historic record of getting nearly everything wrong). If you stop listening to the various Ministries of Truth (both private and government) the entire idea there was "no election fraud" falls apart. The voting machines were/are a red haring. The real issue has always been the massive amounts of ballots with no chain of custody.
- ric2b 6y ago
  The courts have looked at these allegations and the actual evidence is slim to none, and far from being about a big enough number of votes to change the result of the election, it's not even enough to change the result in one state.
- ThePowerOfFuet 6y ago
  [citation needed]
- jariel 6y ago
  This is not true, and the and a good example of conspiratorial rationalization. Why doesn't Mike Pence, the VP back your claims? Are you saying you have more information that him? Why don't any GOP Senators? Judges? Consider if 'bad elections' claims had any merit whatsoever, the real GOP apparatus would be running full tilt at the problem. The Supreme Court would practically be inviting cases. Arguing that 'irregularities exist' is not an argument - because we know they exist, what matters is the magnitude and systematic efforts. The 'conspiratorial argument' falls apart immediately under any scrutiny - and there has been a lot of scrutiny. So we have a problem with giving out money, and appearance of problems in voting, maybe we can have 'voter ID' and get around some of the legitimacy/privacy issues. But the elections are effectively fair. Please try to understand that this is an issue of public communications and conspiratorial logic, and not reality. The 'ministries of truth' have considerably more integrity - especially as a whole - then

sneeze-slayer 6y ago

Huh? There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud. Just because someone testifies that they saw something doesn't prove it. It's just hearsay. Please stop spreading disinformation. Many people working minimum wage jobs don't have the ability to take an entire day off and spend the money to deal with the nightmare that is the DMV. Just because they aren't a fancy software developer doesn't mean that there vote shouldn't count equally as someone who can afford to take the day off. Regarding needing a state ID to work, you can read on UCSIS' website what is required. One can use things like school IDs, voter registration, birth certificate, and SSA card. So, no, if you don't have a state ID it does not mean that you are working under the table. In reality, there are tons of reasons why we shouldn't require more strict voter ID laws.