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1. Are the cruise ships isolated? 2. Why are the crews forced to stay on the ships? 3. If the ships are themselves isolated, why are the crews isolated? If th

1. Are the cruise ships isolated? 2. Why are the crews forced to stay on the ships? 3. If the ships are themselves isolated, why are the crews isolated? If they aren't, why can't the crews leave? I am strangely reminded of the airline flight that sat parked on the airport (at Chicago?) ramp, full of passengers, for over 24 hours years ago.

jononor 6y ago
Popular tourist destinations that had open boarder policies might have restricted them considerably. It is not uncommon that cruise personnel do not have a passport with rights to go into the country where they are docked. Many also plan on the cruise ship to return them home, and don't have funds for a flight home from mid-trip, even if they would be given right-of-passage. Some rent out their homes while they expect to be away working.
- AHASIC 6y ago
  Nah, this is a bunch of crap. I worked on a carnival ship until the pandemic and I don't know where you pulled this answer out of, but it plain old wrong. The reason they can't leave is simply the American authorities won't let them leave the ship in order to prevent them from staying in the U.S and potentially finding a way to get a job there (legal or illegal). There wasn't a person on board who couldn't leave the ship because of documentation in normal circumstances, but with the virus happening, Carnival shit their pants and were blocked from having anyone leave for the aforementioned reason.
  - FpUser 6y ago
    Which proves once more that the governments do not really give a flying fuck about people and are willing to keep them in jail like conditions without those people committing any offence.
    - AHASIC 6y ago
      I believe that the US citizens who working on board could leave, it's the NON-US citizens that the US didn't give a shit about. Hell, keeping the crew onboard meant that the crew will spend their money onboard for necessities like water, cigarettes, laundry and drinks, so that they could make a bank out of bad situation.
chrisseaton 6y ago
> I am strangely reminded of the airline flight that sat parked on the airport (at Chicago?) ramp, full of passengers, for over 24 hours years ago. What was that? Why on earth would an airline do that? Surely the cost in the tied-up-aircraft alone would be astronomical? How did they get food and water to the flight but were unable to unboard people?
- THE_PUN_STOPS 6y ago
  https://abc7chicago.com/5098508/ https://abc7chicago.com/5098508/ Could it be this one? "Passengers were not allowed to leave the airplane because the Goose Bay Airport did not have a customs officer on duty during the overnight hours. Saturday bled into Sunday, and still the flight remained grounded."
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    Website says 14, report says 13, seems like an extraordinary situation in any case.
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    - mcguire 6y ago
      Somewhat, especially since 2009 (https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna34510274 https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna34510274) when the regulations changed to force airlines to return to a gate after waiting for takeoff for three hours.
  - tmccrary55 6y ago
    You'd think they'd be let into the terminal until the issue was resolved.
- mcguire 6y ago
  Ok, it could be Northwest in Detroit in 1999 (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2001-01-10-0101100173-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2001-01-10-010110...), although that was 10 hours. But I swear the incident I remember was much longer than that, about 24 hours. I think it was Chicago and I think it was United. The plane landed during a snowstorm, but all the airline's gates were in use, so the pilot parked on the ramp and waited. The passengers could see the terminal, with open gates, but the pilot/airline wouldn't use them and wouldn't let passengers off where the plane was due to the storm. Eventually a passenger managed to contact the airline president, who somehow resolved the situation. They didn't have food or water, and the restrooms' holding tanks were overflowing.

jononor 6y ago

Popular tourist destinations that had open boarder policies might have restricted them considerably. It is not uncommon that cruise personnel do not have a passport with rights to go into the country where they are docked. Many also plan on the cruise ship to return them home, and don't have funds for a flight home from mid-trip, even if they would be given right-of-passage. Some rent out their homes while they expect to be away working.

AHASIC 6y ago
Nah, this is a bunch of crap. I worked on a carnival ship until the pandemic and I don't know where you pulled this answer out of, but it plain old wrong. The reason they can't leave is simply the American authorities won't let them leave the ship in order to prevent them from staying in the U.S and potentially finding a way to get a job there (legal or illegal). There wasn't a person on board who couldn't leave the ship because of documentation in normal circumstances, but with the virus happening, Carnival shit their pants and were blocked from having anyone leave for the aforementioned reason.
- FpUser 6y ago
  Which proves once more that the governments do not really give a flying fuck about people and are willing to keep them in jail like conditions without those people committing any offence.
  - AHASIC 6y ago
    I believe that the US citizens who working on board could leave, it's the NON-US citizens that the US didn't give a shit about. Hell, keeping the crew onboard meant that the crew will spend their money onboard for necessities like water, cigarettes, laundry and drinks, so that they could make a bank out of bad situation.

chrisseaton 6y ago

> I am strangely reminded of the airline flight that sat parked on the airport (at Chicago?) ramp, full of passengers, for over 24 hours years ago. What was that? Why on earth would an airline do that? Surely the cost in the tied-up-aircraft alone would be astronomical? How did they get food and water to the flight but were unable to unboard people?

THE_PUN_STOPS 6y ago
https://abc7chicago.com/5098508/ https://abc7chicago.com/5098508/ Could it be this one? "Passengers were not allowed to leave the airplane because the Goose Bay Airport did not have a customs officer on duty during the overnight hours. Saturday bled into Sunday, and still the flight remained grounded."
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  Website says 14, report says 13, seems like an extraordinary situation in any case.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - mcguire 6y ago
    Somewhat, especially since 2009 (https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna34510274 https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna34510274) when the regulations changed to force airlines to return to a gate after waiting for takeoff for three hours.
- tmccrary55 6y ago
  You'd think they'd be let into the terminal until the issue was resolved.
mcguire 6y ago
Ok, it could be Northwest in Detroit in 1999 (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2001-01-10-0101100173-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2001-01-10-010110...), although that was 10 hours. But I swear the incident I remember was much longer than that, about 24 hours. I think it was Chicago and I think it was United. The plane landed during a snowstorm, but all the airline's gates were in use, so the pilot parked on the ramp and waited. The passengers could see the terminal, with open gates, but the pilot/airline wouldn't use them and wouldn't let passengers off where the plane was due to the storm. Eventually a passenger managed to contact the airline president, who somehow resolved the situation. They didn't have food or water, and the restrooms' holding tanks were overflowing.