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What will it take? Time. If you wait long enough... * There will be universal healthcare * The police will not be permitted to use deadly force * Landlords

What will it take? Time. If you wait long enough... * There will be universal healthcare * The police will not be permitted to use deadly force * Landlords will not be able to evict tenants for any reason whatsoever * Colleges will not be able to discriminate based on aptitude or demonstrated performance In short, if you wait long enough, all the "wants" of the Left will be achieved. It will happen whether Republicans or Democrats are in charge, but voting in Republicans slows down the process just a bit.

greenminimalist 6y ago
Thank you for your reply. I think getting no-cost healthcare for children would be the thin edge of a wedge. Once people realize the savings, they will be demanding it for all. Chinks in the armour is how it starts.
- chaganated 6y ago
  Children are incredibly cheap to insure. That's why we have medicaid (no-cost) and CHIP (very low cost).
  - giantg2 6y ago
    Exactly. Groups that cost the most are near end of life and have costly chronic conditions pervasive in that age group. Children are a relatively healthy group that require comparatively little payout.
    - chaganated 6y ago
      That's what medicare is for--to blow ~$100k on giving grandma a few more months of living death.
      - giantg2 6y ago
        Yeah. The Amish seem to have an interesting take on this. I think this difference also brings up the point that if we have universal health care, the entire nation would have to agree on the terms and conditions of that system, which tends to contradict with the history beliefs of the US. https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/04/20/the-amish-health-care-system/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/04/20/the-amish-health-care-...
  - greenminimalist 6y ago
    If you qualify. I make too much to qualify for "assistance", but my insurance is ridiculously high and every year (I do shop around) they ask for more and offer less and less. "If" is the biggest word in the dictionary. The issue is divorcing medicine and profit. Healthcare is and always will be a basic human right. I would be OK with starting incrementally, say, I buy health insurance and I pay NOTHING ELSE EVER, no matter if I stub my toe or I need a quadruple bypass. The issue is also one of the insurance companies coming between me and my doctor. We know what's best for me, not the insurance company. I've been fighting this battle for 20 years and I'm more disgusted with each passing year. I now know how to fight it on an individual level as far as getting debt forgiven, etc., but no one should have to live like this.
    - chaganated 6y ago
      Have you checked your state's CHIP program? The income limitations are usually very generous, and the networks are usually far better than medicaid.
      - giantg2 6y ago
        Yeah, I was going to say this. The limit in my state for a family of 4 is like $80k for partial assistance and $50k for it being free.
    - deleted 6y ago
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newfeatureok 6y ago
What? Why would any of these things happen just because of time?
- chaganated 6y ago
  It's a religion: "the right side of history," and all that
- giantg2 6y ago
  Not just time, but also demographics. Most issues today are urban vs rural. Urbanization tends to increase over time, moving us further on progressive topics. You can see this most clearly on gun rights in countries that hit 80% urbanization under similar representative governments.
  - chaganated 6y ago
    probably going to get in trouble for this one, but it proves your point: https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/glco4u/2040s_republican/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/glco4u/2040...
    - giantg2 6y ago
      I was actually going for this one. There's a lot more red than blue, but there's more people under the blue area. It's pretty fragmented, especially the blue areas. So it wouldn't divide cleanly. https://external-preview.redd.it/soNxegi7UWdcVDUWYf_WcSI8SXetnpzgn1sDHdqIf6k.png?s=1f3b010738a0ba844c783014a1cf6fee862cd13f https://external-preview.redd.it/soNxegi7UWdcVDUWYf_WcSI8SXe...
      - chaganated 6y ago
        Most of the blue spots in flyover country are ethnic spoils rather than urbanization.

greenminimalist 6y ago

Thank you for your reply. I think getting no-cost healthcare for children would be the thin edge of a wedge. Once people realize the savings, they will be demanding it for all. Chinks in the armour is how it starts.

chaganated 6y ago
Children are incredibly cheap to insure. That's why we have medicaid (no-cost) and CHIP (very low cost).
- giantg2 6y ago
  Exactly. Groups that cost the most are near end of life and have costly chronic conditions pervasive in that age group. Children are a relatively healthy group that require comparatively little payout.
  - chaganated 6y ago
    That's what medicare is for--to blow ~$100k on giving grandma a few more months of living death.
    - giantg2 6y ago
      Yeah. The Amish seem to have an interesting take on this. I think this difference also brings up the point that if we have universal health care, the entire nation would have to agree on the terms and conditions of that system, which tends to contradict with the history beliefs of the US. https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/04/20/the-amish-health-care-system/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/04/20/the-amish-health-care-...
- greenminimalist 6y ago
  If you qualify. I make too much to qualify for "assistance", but my insurance is ridiculously high and every year (I do shop around) they ask for more and offer less and less. "If" is the biggest word in the dictionary. The issue is divorcing medicine and profit. Healthcare is and always will be a basic human right. I would be OK with starting incrementally, say, I buy health insurance and I pay NOTHING ELSE EVER, no matter if I stub my toe or I need a quadruple bypass. The issue is also one of the insurance companies coming between me and my doctor. We know what's best for me, not the insurance company. I've been fighting this battle for 20 years and I'm more disgusted with each passing year. I now know how to fight it on an individual level as far as getting debt forgiven, etc., but no one should have to live like this.
  - chaganated 6y ago
    Have you checked your state's CHIP program? The income limitations are usually very generous, and the networks are usually far better than medicaid.
    - giantg2 6y ago
      Yeah, I was going to say this. The limit in my state for a family of 4 is like $80k for partial assistance and $50k for it being free.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]

newfeatureok 6y ago

What? Why would any of these things happen just because of time?

chaganated 6y ago
It's a religion: "the right side of history," and all that
giantg2 6y ago
Not just time, but also demographics. Most issues today are urban vs rural. Urbanization tends to increase over time, moving us further on progressive topics. You can see this most clearly on gun rights in countries that hit 80% urbanization under similar representative governments.
- chaganated 6y ago
  probably going to get in trouble for this one, but it proves your point: https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/glco4u/2040s_republican/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/glco4u/2040...
  - giantg2 6y ago
    I was actually going for this one. There's a lot more red than blue, but there's more people under the blue area. It's pretty fragmented, especially the blue areas. So it wouldn't divide cleanly. https://external-preview.redd.it/soNxegi7UWdcVDUWYf_WcSI8SXetnpzgn1sDHdqIf6k.png?s=1f3b010738a0ba844c783014a1cf6fee862cd13f https://external-preview.redd.it/soNxegi7UWdcVDUWYf_WcSI8SXe...
    - chaganated 6y ago
      Most of the blue spots in flyover country are ethnic spoils rather than urbanization.