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I wouldn't really call it coercion. It's Apple's attempt to make a genuinely better product that costs them less to produce as far as I can see. Yes, the produc

by kaslai 6y ago

I wouldn't really call it coercion. It's Apple's attempt to make a genuinely better product that costs them less to produce as far as I can see. Yes, the products do strike me as highly disposable but then again that has basically been their business model for over a decade, so that shouldn't really be that big a surprise. I just see it as the first major step in showing the world that we don't actually need x86 for new productivity oriented machines.

Jtsummers 6y ago
Out of curiosity, how is it that you see their products as "disposable"? At least, for me, Apple's hardware has been the least disposable of any that I've purchased (phones, laptops, tablets, desktops). My iPhone 7 would still work if I hadn't broken it so badly with an unlucky drop (landed wrong, thought of repairing, but found a good 2-for-1 deal on the iPhone X and my wife wanted an upgrade). My 2012 MBP is still in use, my 2011 Mac Mini is still in use, my 2014 iPad (Air 2) is still in use. Disposable devices: Anything from Amazon. Kindle Fire tablets are useful, but cheap. Anything Nexus and (IMHO) Pixel from Google. Everything HP I've ever owned that wasn't a calculator made before 2000.
- timw4mail 6y ago
  Unreparable is probably a better description. Macs were very reparable and upgradable until the Retina laptops came out. Each new generation is less upgradable and reparable.
  - Jtsummers 6y ago
    That's a description I would agree with, but isn't what they said. I'd still say, despite the lack of reparability and upgradability of modern Apple devices (or owner reparability), they're still hardly "disposable". They still last a long time, and their prices (while better than in the 00s) are still high enough that you wouldn't want to replace an MacBook Pro every year unless you really liked spending money (or had a buyer lined up).
    - kaslai 6y ago
      I was mainly alluding to their attitude towards refurb and repair. While they are not really any more or less disposable than other brands, Apple corporate policy strongly encourages disposing of items which could trivially lead much longer lives given the chance.

by kaslai 6y ago

Jtsummers 6y ago

Out of curiosity, how is it that you see their products as "disposable"? At least, for me, Apple's hardware has been the least disposable of any that I've purchased (phones, laptops, tablets, desktops). My iPhone 7 would still work if I hadn't broken it so badly with an unlucky drop (landed wrong, thought of repairing, but found a good 2-for-1 deal on the iPhone X and my wife wanted an upgrade). My 2012 MBP is still in use, my 2011 Mac Mini is still in use, my 2014 iPad (Air 2) is still in use. Disposable devices: Anything from Amazon. Kindle Fire tablets are useful, but cheap. Anything Nexus and (IMHO) Pixel from Google. Everything HP I've ever owned that wasn't a calculator made before 2000.

timw4mail 6y ago
Unreparable is probably a better description. Macs were very reparable and upgradable until the Retina laptops came out. Each new generation is less upgradable and reparable.
- Jtsummers 6y ago
  That's a description I would agree with, but isn't what they said. I'd still say, despite the lack of reparability and upgradability of modern Apple devices (or owner reparability), they're still hardly "disposable". They still last a long time, and their prices (while better than in the 00s) are still high enough that you wouldn't want to replace an MacBook Pro every year unless you really liked spending money (or had a buyer lined up).
  - kaslai 6y ago
    I was mainly alluding to their attitude towards refurb and repair. While they are not really any more or less disposable than other brands, Apple corporate policy strongly encourages disposing of items which could trivially lead much longer lives given the chance.