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The cure can’t be worse than the disease. (We can’t allow our methods for mitigating covid 19 to be worse than suffering the disease)
by ed25519FUUU 6y ago
The cure can’t be worse than the disease.
(We can’t allow our methods for mitigating covid 19 to be worse than suffering the disease)
- jolmg 6y agoMaybe you phrased that the wrong way, but your comment reads like it's saying that suicide can't be worse than isolation.
- caturopath 6y agoI read it as "suicide-inducing isolation is not necessarily preferable to risking COVID spread".
- jolmg 6y agoIf the isolation is the cure and covid is the disease, isn't that backwards? The comment says "can't be worse", so they're saying it is preferable, since it can't be worse. EDIT: Nevermind, I see now that "can't" is probably meant as "shouldn't" instead of "is impossible to".
- rualca 6y ago> I read it as "suicide-inducing isolation is not necessarily preferable to risking COVID spread". That interpretation is absurd and.far-fetched, as it's based on a couple of suicide cases that happened within a cruise ship whose crew was, for no reason, subjected to solitary confinement for months just because their employer felt no need to repatriate their crew. And even if we blindly assume those suicides were due to lockdowns, let's put in perspective that those two suicides are dwarfed by the close to two million covid19 deaths so far.
- caturopath 6y agoSo, I wasn't advocating the implication the original commenter might have been, but I think you're being pretty unreasonable in this post. > let's put in perspective that those two suicides are dwarfed by the close to two million covid19 deaths so far These aren't comparable numbers, so I don't see how it provides perspective. You're comparing the global number of deaths to the number of suicides within a tiny population. You have to use actual counterfactuals: you're currently comparing apples to oranges. You'd need to compare the number of ADDITIONAL deaths if these folks weren't confined to these two deaths by suicide or, more interestingly, the number of additional global deaths we would have seen without lockdowns (not that total!) to the the global spike in suicide, if there was one. (I didn't address your point about the employer's malfeasance because I don't feel like I have anything useful to say there. With that conceded, I am just responding to the other part of your post.)
- Godel_unicode 6y agoI believe the cure and disease they're referring to are lockdowns and covid, respectively.
- jolmg 6y agoI guess it's because the article's main topic is suicides that I thought the "cure" being referred to was suicide with the corresponding disease/reason being the isolation, the other main theme of the article.
- xwdv 6y agoThreats of suicide can’t be an excuse to let people go do whatever the fuck they want. Imagine that world.
- dahfizz 6y agoGod forbid people have freedom. Unimaginable.
- jessaustin 6y agoSurely you don't really believe this.
- FpUser 6y agoAnd what particularly horrible things they were contemplating to do may I ask? I would rather imagine and prefer the world where those who deprive people of their freedom without said people committing some crimes should be fucking jailed themselves.
- jliptzin 6y agoHow many person-years have we lost to COVID-19 and how many have we lost due to excess suicides in the last 12 months?
- ed25519FUUU 6y agoHow many years are lost because of the lockdown?
- sbarre 6y agoIf you add up all the years people get to keep living because they didn't die due to the lockdown, the answer to your question is a big negative number.