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> This is just a totalitarian mob justice that is also prevalent in alt-right circles Agreed. However, people in alt-right circles have no power in tech peer g

by screye 6y ago

> This is just a totalitarian mob justice that is also prevalent in alt-right circles Agreed. However, people in alt-right circles have no power in tech peer groups. The totalitarian mob-justice wing of liberal circles has all the power. Be that Robyn-De-Angelo and Ibrahim Kendi being paraded around these firms despite having incredibly extreme ideas or people like Anima leading committees at the top of CS hierarchy. If I was in rural kentucky working in a coal mine, I would be shouting about how the reactionary wing of the right has completely taken over discourse. But, I'm in tech/grad-student/urban/academic circles, so I speak about the bad actors there. > There is nothing left-wing in American politics, much less “hyper-liberal”. I was careful to never mention the word 'left' in my comment. Hyper-Liberalism and Left ideology are tangential to each other. This wing of ultra-prescriptive / thought-policing 'hyper-liberal' left is very "North American college campus phenomenon". It doesn't map onto left movements around the world at all. Note that this is very much a social movement. So, the economic aspects of left-ideology are only important insofar as to facilitate the social aspects of the movement. So, I reserve my criticisms of it to the social goals of the movement and their 'ends justify the means' approach.

kergonath 6y ago
Conservatives can only blame themselves if high-tech companies have lots of liberal people. There is no law of nature that says that conservatives cannot design software or write code. One easy way to solve this is to stop being so obnoxiously anti-intellectualist. English conservatives can do it, and they are not necessarily smart. But that mob behaviour is not left or right; it is totalitarian. > people like Anima leading committees at the top of CS hierarchy Yeah that’s a travesty. > If I was in rural kentucky working in a coal mine, I would be shouting about how the reactionary wing of the right has completely taken over discourse. As you bloody well should. They voted for it, but these people are still getting the short end of the stick again. > I'm in tech/grad-student/urban/academic circles, so I speak about the bad actors there. As you should, too! But I think you mis-diagnose when you attribute this to leftist tendencies. This is a religious war and the real losers are reasonable people caught in the crossfire. The problem is the cult system, not the liberal flavour of one side. > I was careful to never mention the word 'left' in my comment. You’re right, sorry. ”liberal” is a centrist ideology, even though apparently some people think it’s communism (which is absolutely not liberal). > This wing of ultra-prescriptive / thought-policing 'hyper-liberal' left is very "North American college campus phenomenon". It doesn't map onto left movements around the world at all. Yes! The contexts are very different. Although this has bothered me quite a bit recently, seeing the same sound bites getting translated for local consumption in several European country. It seems this behaviour is contagious. This is not what liberalism is, though, any more than neocons or the alt-right are actually about conservatism. Liberalism is about individual freedom. Thought police is an aspect that some supposedly progressives imported directly from Stalinism.

by screye 6y ago

kergonath 6y ago

Conservatives can only blame themselves if high-tech companies have lots of liberal people. There is no law of nature that says that conservatives cannot design software or write code. One easy way to solve this is to stop being so obnoxiously anti-intellectualist. English conservatives can do it, and they are not necessarily smart. But that mob behaviour is not left or right; it is totalitarian. > people like Anima leading committees at the top of CS hierarchy Yeah that’s a travesty. > If I was in rural kentucky working in a coal mine, I would be shouting about how the reactionary wing of the right has completely taken over discourse. As you bloody well should. They voted for it, but these people are still getting the short end of the stick again. > I'm in tech/grad-student/urban/academic circles, so I speak about the bad actors there. As you should, too! But I think you mis-diagnose when you attribute this to leftist tendencies. This is a religious war and the real losers are reasonable people caught in the crossfire. The problem is the cult system, not the liberal flavour of one side. > I was careful to never mention the word 'left' in my comment. You’re right, sorry. ”liberal” is a centrist ideology, even though apparently some people think it’s communism (which is absolutely not liberal). > This wing of ultra-prescriptive / thought-policing 'hyper-liberal' left is very "North American college campus phenomenon". It doesn't map onto left movements around the world at all. Yes! The contexts are very different. Although this has bothered me quite a bit recently, seeing the same sound bites getting translated for local consumption in several European country. It seems this behaviour is contagious. This is not what liberalism is, though, any more than neocons or the alt-right are actually about conservatism. Liberalism is about individual freedom. Thought police is an aspect that some supposedly progressives imported directly from Stalinism.