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There's a very simple argument to counter this thought. It's true mrna vaccines are new, but also the sars-cov2 virus is new. Your question shouldn't be if you

by hannob 6y ago

There's a very simple argument to counter this thought. It's true mrna vaccines are new, but also the sars-cov2 virus is new. Your question shouldn't be if you're worried about mrna vaccines, your question should be if you should be more worried about mrna vaccines than about getting infected. Serious long term sideeffects from mrna vaccines? Possible, but very unlikely. Serious long term sideeffects from covid-19? Absolutely, and there's a lot we still don't know.

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
One is a virus that’s ostensibly handled fine by practically any healthy immune system, whereas the vaccine is a novel gene therapy. It seems to be fine and without any noticeable side-effects, but the “how dare you even slightly doubt it, you monster” tone is frankly absurd and authoritarian.
- scotty79 6y ago
  > handled fine by practically any healthy immune system, Except for nearly 2 million dead people so far and many millions with long term adverse effects. > vaccine is a novel gene therapy. And those are just wrong words. > "how dare you even slightly doubt it, you monster” Given that at some point supply of the vaccine will exceed the demand and planting seeds of doubt in other people will reduce demand further and cause them to loose health or life ... yes, voicing uninformed concerns is acting like monster. It's fine to have concerns but just go and read science quietly till they are resolved instead of voicing them.
  - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
    > but just go and read science quietly Can you imagine the pretentiousness required to say this? We all know the reaction of this were the words spoken to some identity group X. “Go read biology quietly.” “Go read history quietly.” > > vaccine is a novel gene therapy. > And those are just wrong words. Ok - RNA therapy... gene therapy and RNA therapy are separate but they're often discussed as related things.
    - scotty79 6y ago
      >> but just go and read science quietly > Can you imagine the pretentiousness required to say this? I'm just advising what I'm doing myself. Without pretence. Ignorance is not a sin, but some forms of ignorance in our highly connected society become very dangerous when voiced. And since asking is not the only way to learn, other methods are preferable in those cases.
      - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
        > some forms of ignorance in our highly connected society become very dangerous when voiced Right out of 1984...make "ignorance" inexpressible! Dystopian utilitarian analysis says certain words shouldn't be uttered.

by hannob 6y ago

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago

One is a virus that’s ostensibly handled fine by practically any healthy immune system, whereas the vaccine is a novel gene therapy. It seems to be fine and without any noticeable side-effects, but the “how dare you even slightly doubt it, you monster” tone is frankly absurd and authoritarian.

scotty79 6y ago
> handled fine by practically any healthy immune system, Except for nearly 2 million dead people so far and many millions with long term adverse effects. > vaccine is a novel gene therapy. And those are just wrong words. > "how dare you even slightly doubt it, you monster” Given that at some point supply of the vaccine will exceed the demand and planting seeds of doubt in other people will reduce demand further and cause them to loose health or life ... yes, voicing uninformed concerns is acting like monster. It's fine to have concerns but just go and read science quietly till they are resolved instead of voicing them.
- gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
  > but just go and read science quietly Can you imagine the pretentiousness required to say this? We all know the reaction of this were the words spoken to some identity group X. “Go read biology quietly.” “Go read history quietly.” > > vaccine is a novel gene therapy. > And those are just wrong words. Ok - RNA therapy... gene therapy and RNA therapy are separate but they're often discussed as related things.
  - scotty79 6y ago
    >> but just go and read science quietly > Can you imagine the pretentiousness required to say this? I'm just advising what I'm doing myself. Without pretence. Ignorance is not a sin, but some forms of ignorance in our highly connected society become very dangerous when voiced. And since asking is not the only way to learn, other methods are preferable in those cases.
    - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
      > some forms of ignorance in our highly connected society become very dangerous when voiced Right out of 1984...make "ignorance" inexpressible! Dystopian utilitarian analysis says certain words shouldn't be uttered.